Lanky didn't mention another advantage of having 20 Frost is Lichbourne. If you pop that as you are running to kill the Healer/Mage, the Rogue cannot sap you or Mage cannot sheep you.

Just watch our for Paladins, since they can fear/stun you (only if the realize you are undead).

Currently run 2s with holy pally and 20 frost 51 unholy(im teh dk) im wondering to use 2 t7 chest and legs and 2 hateful gloves and shoulders....or go with all 4 hateful?

Two piece T7 can be worth wearing, but the legs and chest are the 2 worst pieces. If you want to wear 2 pieces I would recommend the helmet and shoulders, especially since they add hit.


For anyone else using a 2H frost spec for PvP, is Cinderglacier worth considering at all? 20% added damage on 2 Frost Strikes would be a lot of added burst, but I'm not sure if it procs enough to be worth using over Fallen Crusader.

well im a alt and dont raid much on this toon so getting those 2 peices could b difficult...so say fuck it and just get 4 hateful?

Im running a Dk, Disc Priest team in my 2's, we seem to be able to beat most teams. the only one we are having issues with is rogue/priest. the rogue is just dropping my priest with 930 res almost instantly. been running a unholy blood build but wondering if there is something better out there to combat rogues.

was wondering if this looked viable

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Also and tips and pointers on the best way to combat these mutilate rogues would be appreciated.

Thanks

Im currently using the 2hnd axe from 10 man naxx off of KT(got lucky on a pullin). About the asking about using pvp gear in pvp isnt really sence less some set bonuses are extremely well ie the rogue stacking of 4 set t6 and 4 s4 was amazing cant do that currently but still its not really sensless.

I'm also running DK/Disc. It's difficult to say for sure until you get to higher brackets, but for us on the way up so far, I've found that being on the rogue against rogue/healer is a losing proposition. Even if you put your ghoul on the healer and gnaw / focus strangulate at the right times, and even with full 25s PvE gear, with no MS I feel like there is just no way I can get the rogue down through heals before the rogue can get through my priest, unless the rogue is incompetent. Against a mediocre or better rogue, he'll save his escapes/outs for when things are looking hairy and his healer is CCed, he'll CoS/Vanish then come back to reopen, or CoS/sprint away and swoop back in after getting healed to full 5 seconds later, and now you don't have silence for another 2 minutes. Maybe others here have a different experience.

What I've started doing instead is just hauling ass out of the starting gate to get in combat on their healer ASAP. Rogue either chooses to start in on you to save his healer, in which case he's blown his opener on a less-than-ideal target from their point of view, or he sticks with their usual plan and keeps going towards your healer, giving you a lot of time to tee off on the healer unhindered. If you get sapped, it puts a little more delay in your lead but is still doable if you can outdamage the rogue. If you don't get sapped, it works very well.

I've found rogue/resto shaman to be harder, given how long a good resto shaman can survive against a DK.

As far as spec, there are a lot of ways you can tweak your spec, but there's no way I would PvP as deep unholy without 3/3 Virulence and On a Pale Horse.

Cleanse removes a disease, poison, and a magic effect, so it should only take one GCD to dispel frost fever and chilblains, unless it is a disease (doubtful).

I hardly find chillblains worth while.

Its true that you can cause both dispel whether you be using icy touch, or chains, and cause damage with icy, the mere fact that chains, even if its for a split second, completely stops the target to 0% speed helps to catch the paladin, where as 30% simply isnt enough in some situations.

The point of chillblains isn't to use it as a replacement for CoI. Rather, it lets you keep your target slowed while still applying fairly heavy damage. A paladin/priest getting blasted by 4k IT's in addition to your other attacks isn't going to be able to take the time to dispel chillblains, leaving them slow enough for you to keep up with them.

If you go 53 points into frost without getting Hungering Cold, then yes, you are off your rocker. It's a reasonably long duration, short cooldown, area of effect CC.

Also Shadow of Death is going to be (or maybe already is) hotfixed to not function in arena.
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