MissnL1nK

So far this season the only viable tree in my opinion is Unholy, going Frost really isn't an option once you hit the higher ranked teams. Frost has a very unreliable snare and there is no getting around that. I have tested out Blood and Frost some this season and I could immediately see a disadvantage to those specs compared to Unholy.

The damage from Frost and Blood are both higher than Unholy but damage isn't the only thing that wins you matches. Here is the spec that I currently use and it seems to be a very solid spec. I also choose to opt for the extra 3% to crit on SS which does make a difference.

Unholy 3/17/51

My better smells like french toast.

 

Avery

I confirm Missinglink's observation, as I've returned to Unholy as well and recently acquired my T1 2h.

Unholy strikes back as being the most useful for PvP situations especially due to the ridiculous burst of Gargoyle, diseases and Scourge Strike nukes.

However, I have found that it is more beneficial to take out the 3 points in Reaping and throw them into Unholy Presence as well as finishing off Dirge. Being able to run as fast as Unholy Presence and dealing 15% more damage? I say yes <.<;

That is, however, your choice. I feel any variation of the 3/17/51 spec is any good choice, as long as your points aren't allocated to some place retarded.

And now you may faceroll to 1800 ;D

 

MatsT

Subversion doesn't seem all that great. Scourge Strike is not going to be a that big part of your damage. Even if you don't want the utility of On a Pale Horse, Dirge or Chill of The Grave, either Blood-caked Blade or Wandering plague would probably provide a much bigger dps upgrade than Subversion. Sure, Subversion is slightly more burst than the other choices, but I doubt the burst upgrade is big enough to justify the dps loss.

 

Annihilus

That's really an interesting spec. Question, why not pick-up Improved Icy Talons, especially if you're playing melee cleave? The haste bonus for yourself and the group seems very solid. Is Necrosis and 1% STR that much better?

 

ShinKosh

Since there is a semi stable build on the PTR and the mechanics for Scourge Strike has settled down has anyone taken time to check out the damage we can expect in PvP3.3? The PvE thread is getting crazy numbers like 15k and there abouts self buffed while Arena Junkies are picketing the streets with 'The end is nigh' signs.

 

Nyth_

Pretty curious myself as well.

The new scourge strike looks really promising in PvE. The problem though is that it's power lies in its ability to double dip on all buffs.

If you subtract the buffs, add armor (in case of mail + shield and plate classes) and add resillience, you're left with awfully little.

If the level 55 dummies are tested to provide a "hint" at what the pve dps will be like, i guess the best way to observe pvp damage is to hit a level 80 target and manually subtract the resilience factor. (Assuming the level 80 dummy has some armor).

 

Lorque

Anyone know a working macro for healing yourself, via Death Coil, during your Lichborne cooldown? Lichborne makes you undead for 10 seconds, and Death Coil heals undead targets. I've tried a ton of different macros, but I cannot find a working one. Thanks for the help

 

winst

I've never attempted to macro this but from my knowledge of macros in general and your lack of stating what you've specifically tried I'd go with:

/cast Lichborne
/cast [target=player] Death Coil

Both are global cooldown actions (afaik, I've not specced lichborne for a long time) so you'd need to spam it.

 

Lorque

Yea, I would've posted the macros I was using earlier, but if it didn't work, I would erase the macro and start over. Couldn't remember the ones I had used, sorry. Anyway, your macro works perfectly. Doesn't lose my current target, either... Thanks for the help

 

middleman

I was wondering what people thought of this spec Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I mainly play bgs and it seems to go well, using DS with diseases up to heal, and HS to snare, using rune tap when needed, and Vampiric Blood + DS and Rune tap when i get realy low for extra healing. Also i like the fact that i have a ghoul around all the time.

So i was wondering on peoples opinions on this spec,(advantages / disadvantages) also whether its viable for 2v2s

 

Vasilii

Hi All,

Can anyone point out a good 2H Frost Spec for BGs? I played a lot before and even had decent arena ratings but I've been out of the game for 6 months, so I'm trying to get acclimated again.

Also can anyone point me to a some information about key-bindings? Is there a discussion about DK PVP keybinds, particularly for frost? Thanks all!

- Vas

 

Kreepindeath

I run Blood in arenas and with 52% arpen I facerape ppl when it comes time to gib. I am orc so I get an extra trinket so what I do is I have a macro that hits my discs, blood fury, hysteria and Dancing Rune Weapon. DS's crit non prot plate for 8-9k with decent resil and cloth/leather for 10k sometimes.

So I just put pressure on the target we AREN'T gonna gib until we get an opportunity (their rogue opens on our healer, healer has his cd's down, someone gets stupid and is los of healer) then my rogue opens up, blinds the healer which I follow up with strang, we switch to whoever we are gibbing and he lays wound poison, follows with with his armor reducing finisher (cant remember name) and 99% of the time they die in 3 globals or less. Then its 3 on 2 and its GG.

The main thing ppl screw up on as blood in pvp though is, they wanna use HS as their gib strike. We run basicly diseaseless except for CoI applying frost fever, which normally gets cleansed or whatever, so HS hits like a limp noodle. Use HS as your pressure strike. When you get ready to gib use DS spam, with ERW you can get 4 DS's and 4 HS's easily although it normaly doesnt take that long to kill.

Plus we have most of the other abilities that Unholy has, no aoe snare but we do have the HS glyph that keeps out target from kiting us as easily, instead of gargoyle we have DRW, We dont have a perma ghoul but I normally use my ghoul to heal anyway.

And our defensive CD's are redicluous, mark of blood, rune tap, vampiric blood and we still get anti-magic shell plus frozen fortitude. So really, blood only lacks a few things that unholy has and it makes up for it in HUGE burst. It all hinges on Arpen though. If you dont have it, dont bother.

 

Lusum

Morning everyone, hope you're all okay.


Recently a friend of mine who runs a Ret Pally and myself started a 2v2 team together. We're usually found in BGs and have never really done much arena in the past.

We started off pretty poor, but that was expected whilst we got our bearings and knew what the basics were. Most threads I've found have been criticising this 2v2 set up for being a faceroll team and far too easy and requiring no skill.

We've worked our way up and are currently sitting at around 1050, we got stuck for a while around 900 but finally managed to push passed the small wall we'd hit.

One thing I'd stress to anyone who's just starting out with this set up is the importance of the paladin's resistance auras.

Our major problem is coming up against shammys of any kind. We've tried a couple of things against them and neither seem to work well.

The first strategy we tried was to run in (like we do with every fight in the hope to catch them off-guard) and drag the shammy with Death Grip away from his totems and try to set my pet on them (does anyone have a working macro for this?). This almost never worked as they'd just ghost wolf and have us running around after them whilst the other DPS is nuking us.

We tried another strategy of running at them, dropping AMZ over their totems and trying to kill them as fast as possible with silences and stuns on them as often as possible, whilst all out nuking them.

If we can't manage to kill them in the first 10 seconds, it's pretty safe to say we lose the match. Enhancement's put out so much damage (even with my CDs up like AMS etc.) that if we're not pressuring them for a split second one of us winds up dead and the other follows shortly.

Any advice for killing our nemesis Shammys would be appreciated immensely, as well as any advice for playing this 'very easy faceroll setup'!

 

gnomepincher

So my dk has ran out of things he needs to get for pve stuffs with triumph badges, so i thought i would nab some furious pieces and give some arena a shot. ive tried all 3 specs out for him, and i really havent came to any real conclulsions. i really love blood spec, but in the pvp area it seems to be really lacking any sort of cc ability. if anybody knows a good spec for this dks in arena it would be most appreciated.

 

AbotnamedEhh

Well it depends on what you want to go for, unholy with desicration/chains of ice makes you good for at least slowing down some one if not full cc'ing.

Blood can put out some high amount of damage extermely fast if you have the amr pen for it.

Frost.. well to be honest i have not seen a frost dk in arena yet and my 3's is at 1750 on my priest.

If you want one thats not to complicated and helps you just get the feel for arena i'd say go unholy, i know as my priest being my main that the ghould is extremely annoying unholy with anti-magic zone will help you against casting teams. With its slowing abillites it slows down the action for you just a bit until you get a feel for how you need to enter each game. I know that going from my priest where im usually running for my life trying to kite two dps, from usually just trying to work on a healer (usually a druid).

Now im new to arenas on my dk also and Unholy was just what i found worked for me being new to the class.

 

MissnL1nK

Frost can work in certain comps but its loss of a solid snare makes it inferior to other specs. Blood has a good snare but lacks some key talents for utility, which you need badly, and it also under-performs on plate. Unholy really has all the talents needed to be successful in arena, decent snare and good utility, along with better cc abilities. Not to mention the fact that Unholy has a pet as well just makes it that much better.

My better smells like french toast.

 

BiG_DeE

I've been doing arenas for the past month now, and last night i seen the most brutal dk ever, he was frost, and unfortunally i didnt get his name or i wouldnt be on here asking these questions... ive been looking on a talent calculator, and figured out that u can get frost stike, but also keep the ghoul, thus would make a pretty mean combo if you did them together, the build i was thinking of doing is

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...v,akF3eO,10192

My next question, anyone have a idea what weapons are currently the best to Dual Wield with??i was sorta thinking of the tankard o terror, and the Aledar's Battlestar

however they both stack stam/agil, last i checked i want to stack str/stam, any ideas?!?!

 

Heizen

Atm i am using savage saronite for my pvp, it worked good for lvls 78-79 but now im 80 and while im farming honor points for pvp gear, whats the gear i should be using? and where can i get it?

 

Lusum

BiG_DeE- I'm no expert in arena having only been doing them for a month or so on my DK. I currently run unholy spec with a Retadin. It's a tough combination we're finding but having fun whilst learning. Regarding frost in arena I've played it a couple of times and not really liked it due to the reasons others have mentioned. However I've never had the ghoul with frost. I'm going to play around with that kind of spec when I get home and I'll certainly let you know how I find it. I know I'll miss the extra burst/finishing a low target that gargoyle gives though.

With weapons for DW until you're hitting raids or the 1800 mark I'd probably stick with Adelar's or Tankard. For my DW spec I have DW Adelar's with duel rune of CG. Although I also have the 1h axe from Ony Empowered Deathbringer and Horseman's Blade with the pumpkin summon, which can be fun.

Heizen- Whilst you're farming for the deadly set and furious accessories the savage saronite is the best (resillience) gear that you'll find. Either carry on using that and replace periodically with the 80 gear or mix in some pve gear with it. Remember you can farm heroics to get some pve gear and use the emblems to get your deadly set at the same time.