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Old 06/09/09, 6:35 PM   #556
Awshlia
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Dunemaul
Originally Posted by durienjr View Post
I am definetly leaning towards an unholy build with th some blood added not really sure where to even start.
I think a popular starting build is a bit of frost then unholy. I think the frost strike pvp build is much more gear dependent, but I use an unholy one on my dk (my gear is pretty poor, unenchantd and cheap gems) but it's still fun.

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Old 06/10/09, 12:55 AM   #557
Nescioo
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Stormreaver (EU)
Originally Posted by Awshlia View Post
That's my impression, but I don't pvp much on my DK so you definitely need to try it out and see what works for you and your team. If the extra healing done by mark of blood keeps your rogue alive, then keep it- better to 3v3 with a bit less damage than 2v3.
Hm yeah i tried out my build yesterday, and I was a bit disappointment:p Mainly because almost in every fight opponent's healer was awake and dispelled MoB :/ Also Rune Tap was ok, it allowed me to use little more dps gear, but party healing (glyph) wasn't that useful that I tought it would be. Also, taking Rune Tap glyph made me to leave one glyph out (obli, HC or frost strike) which really lowered my burst damage

Conclusion: 13/51/7 or 17/51/3 (if you think you don't need imp grip) builds are good. Going deeper to blood in pvp is waste.

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Old 06/16/09, 9:52 AM   #558
Valios
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Human Death Knight
 
Nathrezim
UB vs. Lichbourne

My apologies if this has already been covered, I looked around and couldn't find much of anything on the topic.

I run with a disc priest and his ret paladin alt in 2v2's. I've seen so many different alterations to the unholy build and I'm
completely new to pvp.

In short, I was curious if unholy blight would be a better talent to take over lichbourne. I chose lichbourne for the obvious
reasons, but I would like some feedback to know if there was anything I'm not thinking of and why I see other death
knights taking unholy blight.

Oh, of course if there's anything else I'm doing wrong gear or spec wise feel free to slander away be it here or in private.
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Old 06/16/09, 10:48 AM   #559
MatsT
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Night Elf Druid
 
Frostmane (EU)
I don't see why you couldn't have both of them if you want. There are lots of other talents in the unholy tree that provides a 0.5-1% dmg increase and nothing else that you could skip if you wanted to include Unholy Blight. UB is not terribly useful in 2on2 though. There are not many situations where you want such a slow aoe, and the damage increase over Death Coil on single target is marginal at best and because of kiting/burst issues not really an increase at all. Some people use it as a tool against stealth teams since it can be very hard to approach a DK with UB active without getting hit by it.

Concerning your specc in general, if you have little experience I'd recommend that you simply copy the specc from a high rated DK. Look around on the top of the ladders and see how people are specced. There are some small differences depending on personal preference or setups, but most people will be specced roughly the same and that is the same builds you would get from people here.

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Old 06/17/09, 12:44 PM   #560
twicedead
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Thunderhorn (EU)
This is my current spec and Im having alot of fun with it atm.

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I will tweak it a bit anyway to pull a bit more damage, like droping epidemic and UB in favor of 2 points in necrosis and 1 point in impurity giving me 8% more on shadow damage and 4% on all damage.

I dont feel that epidemic gives me a huge benefit because we keep changing targets all the time and all encounters are too fast. Maybe in arena but I havent tried it yet with this char.

This build has been my starting point in pvp, have tried some frost and unholy full dps builds but ended up returning to this one which gives me more fun playing.

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Old 06/18/09, 10:29 AM   #561
Aezoc
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Orc Death Knight
 
Scilla
Originally Posted by Valios View Post
In short, I was curious if unholy blight would be a better talent to take over lichbourne. I chose lichbourne for the obvious reasons, but I would like some feedback to know if there was anything I'm not thinking of and why I see other death knights taking unholy blight.
I don't really think it's better, no. From my experience, using UB to destealth people is very overrated. You rarely have the RP to power it at the start of a match, when stealthed rogues are the biggest concern, and a DK probably isn't their target anyways. If you can afford to sit on your healer, great, but I'm not sure how often that's the case. It's not great DPS considering how frequently you're in and out of range in a lot of matches, and having to cancel it to avoid breaking shackles is annoying.

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Old 06/23/09, 7:54 PM   #562
Kupo24z
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Orc Death Knight
 
Kilrogg
Has anyone had good results with blood cleaving in 5v5 or 3v3? Was thinking of changing to blood now that 2's are useless.

Also, how do I keep my diseases on the target? Any good healer can just spam cleanse and nullify my damage

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Old 06/24/09, 12:30 PM   #563
Chimp1422
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Orc Death Knight
 
Skullcrusher (EU)
DK's need more ways of doing anything without a melee weapon come 3.2.

Disarm is no fun.

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Old 06/24/09, 12:38 PM   #564
 Darkside
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Kroot
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Are you fucking stupid? We're lucky we can do anything while disarmed. Most melee classes get completely screwed any time they get dismantled; we can still use our major CC's and peel for healers through CoI, Grip and HC.

Disarm mechanics are there as a soft-CC to melee classes, in the same way that Silences CC casters. Allowing a class to continue to function through this type of CC would make them incredibly overpowered (more so than we already are).

[e]: Yeah, I'll probably get an infraction.

Last edited by Darkside : 06/24/09 at 11:31 PM.

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ginger booty get on with yo bad self

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Old 06/24/09, 9:42 PM   #565
Chimp1422
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Skullcrusher (EU)
My, you're a pleasant prick.

Being disarmed is crap, chain disarmed is even worse. Im well aware of what we can do while it happens, to peel for healers, but best i can do when they are going for me is chain, run, and hope, or prey i get a pet stun... Which is lame, should be more that can be done about it, like adding an anti disarm to LB or IF. Weapon chains and sword shattering runes are far too situational to accept the dps loss for 50% less uptime. Would be nicer to have a better way to deal with it, pre-empt it, or hell give it too us too, even if it only works when disarmed ourselves.

And theres no need to be so fucking rude, is there?

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Old 06/24/09, 11:38 PM   #566
 forostie
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I'm 134% with Darkside here, down to each word.

Disarm is barely a kick in the nuts for DKs, compared to the complete neutering it is for a Warrior/Rogue. Thankfully (or on the flipside, painfully), we can still use our magical abilities which are plentiful.

Brutal case of wrong place, wrong time

"fric sleeps with the world and has nothing, zyla gets laid once last year and it nearly kills him" - Birdemani, 2012

"Put a washcloth in her mouth and piss on her face" - Fric, 2013

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Old 06/25/09, 1:01 AM   #567
 Darkside
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Kroot
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Originally Posted by Chimp1422 View Post
My, you're a pleasant prick.

Being disarmed is crap, chain disarmed is even worse. Im well aware of what we can do while it happens, to peel for healers, but best i can do when they are going for me is chain, run, and hope, or prey i get a pet stun... Which is lame, should be more that can be done about it, like adding an anti disarm to LB or IF. Weapon chains and sword shattering runes are far too situational to accept the dps loss for 50% less uptime. Would be nicer to have a better way to deal with it, pre-empt it, or hell give it too us too, even if it only works when disarmed ourselves.

And theres no need to be so fucking rude, is there?
Look, disarm is SUPPOSED to screw you; that's the intent of it. It's no different than a caster getting chain-silenced or you getting chain poly'd/feared/blinded. Furthermore, getting disarmed hardly affects your survivability at all. You are no more vulnerable without a weapon than you are with one. You can still use all your defensive cooldowns and peels, hell you can even still interrupt, which is a hell of a lot more than Warriors can do. That's the primary reason why we don't have a -disarmduration talent. Just wait our the disarm and then continue to apply pressure.

[e]: Fair enough on the parry point, but if the lack of parry is what's getting you killed you have far bigger problems than just the disarm.

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ginger booty get on with yo bad self

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Old 06/25/09, 2:19 AM   #568
 forostie
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Originally Posted by Darkside View Post
You are no more vulnerable without a weapon than you are with one.
Not true, you can't parry - but that is really a minor point.

Brutal case of wrong place, wrong time

"fric sleeps with the world and has nothing, zyla gets laid once last year and it nearly kills him" - Birdemani, 2012

"Put a washcloth in her mouth and piss on her face" - Fric, 2013

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Old 06/25/09, 2:49 AM   #569
Aezoc
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Orc Death Knight
 
Scilla
Any frost DKs have tips on how to deal with shaman? The cleansing totem is rapidly becoming the bane of my existence.
  • I have fewer diseases than unholy, and can't apply two per GCD
  • I lose more damage when my important disease drops
  • I don't have a controllable pet to kill totems with, and frequently wind up spending a frost rune on IT if the totem's out of melee range (I'm running frost/rogue, so partner killing it is often infeasible too), just so the shaman can redrop it a second later.

Frost PvP is a lot more fun for me than unholy was, and the huge burst helps against a lot of comps. But we're doing noticeably worse vs. X/shaman (and to a lesser extent X/priest now), solely because of how much harder it is for me to keep diseases up.

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Old 06/25/09, 2:54 AM   #570
 Darkside
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Kroot
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You'll probably have to move the shaman out of his totems with a grip and position him next to his partner. HC both of them and go for a kill on whomever you think will be easier to bring down. If the other person trinkets the HC, have the rogue blind them.

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