I was hesitant to make a new thread but seeing that there is no Priest thread I felt the need.
I have been playing a Disc. Priest and I plan on doing arenas this season and have a question regarding keybinds. I am specifically interested in how people who normally do raid healing transition to do healing in arena and PVP. From what I hear using the typical raid healing setup (Grid/Clique) is very innefficient for PVP and it is better to actually target then cast. I have been experimenting with using the mouse wheel to target party members but I find myself falling back on using Grid/Clique. Is there a happy medium? Or do I just have to forget about using Grid/Clique in PVP?
Originally Posted by SeresthePriest
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How your priest plays is incredibly dependent on your teammates and team make up. Generally though pvp priests have terrible healing throughput, such that if penances/shields aren't doing the bulk of your healing you're going to be in bad shape. The very best priests are able to play almost like another dps class for significant stretches. Mere mortals will have a harder time since damage avoidance is mostly orchestrated by partners.
In regards to the initial question about keybinds, yes you probably do want to rebind things in pvp. The priority of spells will change pretty significantly from a raid setting. Clique and grid aren't unusable, but if you can get comfortable with them, dispel macros will be faster.
Last edited by Zaq : 02/18/10 at 12:23 PM.
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Great, thank you for the helpful input. I plan to run a RMP for 3v3 and MP for 2v2. I'm not sure what part I will play in a
5s team but I know my role will change with each comp. I guess I'm also going to have to get out of the habit of using decursive for defensive dispells.
Originally Posted by SeresthePriest
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I use xperl and clique for PvP as well as PvE. I have everything bound to my five-button mouse so i only need to mouse over the frame... with alt, shift and ctrl as modifiers its a very easy set up. I also set up a harmful spells keybind set which helps a lot. I try to mark up an enemy target as focus and then have another enemy on target so that i can easily mouse over both of them and dps... when one dies i can just tab to the next. I've never used decursive so IDK how well that will work in PvP... i've always just bound my dispels to my fourth mouse key and used alt and shift to modify which dispell is cast.
Another option is to have a macros set up that will cast a heal on a friendly target, cast an offensive spell on a hostile target, and heal you with the spell when holding a modifier (alt). This way, you can have buttons on your bars that actually do three things, depending. Having dispel bound to a key as one of the "offensive" spells I mentioned above can be very useful. In general, have as many abilities bound as possible. Also, if you don't have it already, get Gladius, the Arena unit frames.
I still use Grid/Clique for dispelling my team mates and myself in Arenas, so that is certainly feasible.
Thank you for all the helpful feedback. What I'm using now is the mousewheel or grid for friendly targeting, decursive or targeting for defensive dispells and mouseover macros for main spells. This gives me a lot of flexability so that I can switch up how I target for different brackets. So far grid is working fine in 5v5.
The mouseover macro basically heals my mouseover, then target, then myself. It is good in a pinch when I don't have time to target.
Originally Posted by SeresthePriest
I am gonna keep doing this until you delete my account
The sky is the limit. I suggest that you start with the simple and add more as you get use to it. The best way to practice is to grab a teammate and go to a bg. There you can practice all your macros under low stress.
You need to use your focus on an opposition in conjunction with focus target and focus castbar.
In larger arena matches focus an enemy caster/warrior/hunter so you can see who's going to get bursted. In smaller matches focus an enemy priest or mage so you can see if they're mana burning or sheeping you.
Substitute the focus for your team mate's names in your macros.
You need to use your focus on an opposition in conjunction with focus target and focus castbar.
In larger arena matches focus an enemy caster/warrior/hunter so you can see who's going to get bursted. In smaller matches focus an enemy priest or mage so you can see if they're mana burning or sheeping you.
Substitute the focus for your team mate's names in your macros.
Pretty much this: if you are fighting a team with an enemy mage and you do not have the mage set to focus, you are asking to get polymorphed. Of course, the corallary is that you need a macro like "/cast [target=focus] Shadow Word: Death" to get yourself out of Polymorph...
In general, I find myself focusing enemy targets in the following order:
1. Mage (SW Polymorph)
2. Warlock (see when he casts fears for knowing when to LoS or dispel)
3. Druid (see when he casts Cyclone or Roots to LoS or dispel)
4. Priest (Manaburn)
5. Hunter (mostly I focus hunters because if you see a hunter running towards you, you know you're about to get scatter-trapped, so it's useful to have a quick way to try to Death him to try to escape Scatter. Note that Scatter has a much shorter range than other Hunter abilities).
Pretty much this: if you are fighting a team with an enemy mage and you do not have the mage set to focus, you are asking to get polymorphed. Of course, the corallary is that you need a macro like "/cast [target=focus] Shadow Word: Death" to get yourself out of Polymorph...
I use spellalerter to avoid having to use the focus macro. Often times I can tab SWD or use my gladius click in time. That being said I have been burned by relying on spellalerter when a mage used a focusmacro to sheep me and had my partner targeted.
Originally Posted by SeresthePriest
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I have been searching teh interwebz for days and could not find a clue about the right gear choice for disciple priest.
Probably we will have a warrior - priest - resto druid setup for 3v3 and disc - warrior for 2v2.
I need some information reagarding lower pvp gear, so what should i focus for? Should i get the crit gear for every slot, or will i need some haste too? How about gear which has spirit on it?
Im currently aiming for getting the Relentless 5/5 from badges and the other stuff from honor.
Actually im going to play pvp casually and want to get the gear fast, so im buying out relentless wrist waist feet back etc.
Your ideal gearing choices/talents will change somewhat by bracket and make up. Still, if you're playing double healer you want mooncloth with the haste offsets and 2 regen trinkets (Double Solace is ideal for humans). Satin is probably not what you want, as you will notice the regen loss. Mostly you'll play as a manaburn/dispel bot although clearly more is involved.
"I have nothing personally invested in my own opinions. I'm just, like, inviting you to join me on the bandwagon of my own uncertainty." -Taylor Mali
Your ideal gearing choices/talents will change somewhat by bracket and make up. Still, if you're playing double healer you want mooncloth with the haste offsets and 2 regen trinkets (Double Solace is ideal for humans). Satin is probably not what you want, as you will notice the regen loss. Mostly you'll play as a manaburn/dispel bot although clearly more is involved.
Partly true, but you might want to start with the spirit off pieces if you're a new priest starting out. Once you become more efficient in arena (aren't going oom), then you can start adding in the haste off pieces and move some gems that way. Double solace isn't usually an option for everyone so you could aim for 245 Solace and Purified Lunar Dust from emblems of frost. If you haven't been able to acquire one or the other, you can always use the 245 Battlemaster's for the time being.
You will definitely want mooncloth over satin for your armor pieces though.
Seeing as some macros are being tossed around, i was wondering if anyone had a Macro setup for a shift mod to target ebon gargoyle and shackle. I have tried several variation of the macro, but in practical use it just doesnt seem to be working.
the idea is this:
Click button shackles current target
shift click = target ebon gargoyle and shackle
Unfortunately I'm presently at work, and unable to post my current macro used...
Forgive me for asking, I'm new to playing my priest. Is the regen from Mooncloth really that important? Have yet to seriously step into an arena playing my priest, but I've played pally/shammy heals to a good extent. I've never had a real problem with mana playing as other classes.
Planning on playing 2v2 with an Affliction 'lock to start out.
Thanks.
Forgive me for asking, I'm new to playing my priest. Is the regen from Mooncloth really that important? Have yet to seriously step into an arena playing my priest, but I've played pally/shammy heals to a good extent. I've never had a real problem with mana playing as other classes.
Planning on playing 2v2 with an Affliction 'lock to start out.
Thanks.
Strictly anectodal, but last night I won 3 painfully long 2v2 matches against lock/healer (I'm disc/rogue). All 3 had both me and the other healer dry, and the lock likely afraid to tap because only the careful, efficient heals were coming, and they were few and far between. We won all 3, and I attribute it entirely to my having better regen, and being able to survive just on what I can get back. Of course, a lot of what I got back was rapture.
It will matter slightly less when the lock being on your side - my problem was that I couldn't drop combat with the pet on me constantly, and I had to stick to the opposing healer so they wouldn't drink. Maybe with my dpser being a pet class, I'd have been able to ignore their healer long enough to get a nice drink in.
Remember, as a priest healer in 2s, there are only really 2 kinds of (fair) fights:
1) against double dps, if you survive the burst, you win. Once you're geared up near the resil cap, surviving shouldn't usually be a problem with you're lock's control.
2) against dps/healer, you're going to aggressively drain the healer, probably putting your mana pool at risk in the process. If you win the drain war comfortably, then you'll probably win the fight. If not, or if it's close (your only really rough counter comp), regen is going to win.
Forgive me for asking, I'm new to playing my priest. Is the regen from Mooncloth really that important? Have yet to seriously step into an arena playing my priest, but I've played pally/shammy heals to a good extent. I've never had a real problem with mana playing as other classes.
Planning on playing 2v2 with an Affliction 'lock to start out.
Thanks.
For drain teams regen is definitely gonna be vital. If you are wanting to take satin over mooncloth frankly its not worth it. The extra crit you would get will not make up for the regen you would loose and its going to make matches against other drain teams just that much harder.....especially ones with a pet humping you the whole game.
If you really want crit then go that way in off pieces. The only reason I could see to stack crit would be for bursting something and that's kind of the opposite of what you would be doing w/ an Aff lock.
Originally Posted by SeresthePriest
I am gonna keep doing this until you delete my account
Forgive me for asking, I'm new to playing my priest. Is the regen from Mooncloth really that important? Have yet to seriously step into an arena playing my priest, but I've played pally/shammy heals to a good extent. I've never had a real problem with mana playing as other classes.
Planning on playing 2v2 with an Affliction 'lock to start out.
Thanks.
Regen is crucial to a priest, because our regen is so bad comparatively. Nearly every spell you cast is 'expensive' save PWS. Additionally the returns from the crit on the Satin set are simply terrible in comparison for disc. Now, if you want to play more offensive, the haste offsets are really quite good, but you'll need some pve supplements to support the mana consumption . I'd be very surprised if you don't find mana to be a limiting factor, its night/day to a paladin's mana usage.
Last edited by Zaq : 04/05/10 at 5:48 PM.
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"I have nothing personally invested in my own opinions. I'm just, like, inviting you to join me on the bandwagon of my own uncertainty." -Taylor Mali
I have been leveling my priest mostly through Battlegrounds and am nearing level 80. Just to keep gaining Honor after the cap I've been buying the highest ilevel healing set offpieces that don't require arena points: cloak, wrists, neck, nearing honor for ring.
I went with this over getting Furious pieces in hopes that I could get enough arena points to go for the Relentless pieces that don't require arena ranking through some early arena failures, then hope for some success and get some of the better pieces.
Honor is coming in fast though, so it seems I may be misguided. The Furious set would be a marked improvement over the gear I'm leveling with now, of course, and the gear from Heroics certainly isn't going to keep up with Furious either. Would I be correct to scrap my early plan and get the Furious set as soon as possible?
I have been leveling my priest mostly through Battlegrounds and am nearing level 80. Just to keep gaining Honor after the cap I've been buying the highest ilevel healing set offpieces that don't require arena points: cloak, wrists, neck, nearing honor for ring.
I went with this over getting Furious pieces in hopes that I could get enough arena points to go for the Relentless pieces that don't require arena ranking through some early arena failures, then hope for some success and get some of the better pieces.
Honor is coming in fast though, so it seems I may be misguided. The Furious set would be a marked improvement over the gear I'm leveling with now, of course, and the gear from Heroics certainly isn't going to keep up with Furious either. Would I be correct to scrap my early plan and get the Furious set as soon as possible?
You can get a piece of relentless every 2 weeks if you do 5s and are diligent about the daily BG. But if you already have all your trinkets and offsets it cant hurt to get furious. I would try to avoid gloves/pants since those drop in VoA. Another option is to get Crit/Haste/MP5 (whatever you didn't get) offsets to give you more gear flexibility.
Originally Posted by SeresthePriest
I am gonna keep doing this until you delete my account