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Old 12/12/08, 6:44 PM   #16
Randyll
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Human Paladin
 
Vashj (EU)
Originally Posted by Darkside View Post
I don't believe that haste lowers the the Death Knight GCD in any way, making it by and large one of the worst available stats for a DK to pick up.
Ever since 2.4 haste has lowered the GCD on spells, to my knowledge this hasn't changed, and as such it would lower the GCD on Death Coil and Icy Touch and the likes. Not a bad thing in itself, that said you'll still need a fair amount of haste to see an increase in damage just by having a lower GCD on those two.

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Old 12/16/08, 2:06 AM   #17
Asari
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Dawnbringer
Haste does not lower the GCD for death knights. We have unholy aura for that purpose.

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Old 12/16/08, 9:53 AM   #18
seamusmc
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Dwarf Rogue
 
Feathermoon
Unholy DPS

We still need to wait for the release of 3.0.8 but its probably still worth considering the buffs for the permanent ghoul. I feel NotD and Glyph of the Ghoul will be required for the unholy dps build.

The change to the Raise the Dead minor glyph probably also makes it a must have, moreso for blood and frost builds, considering how few minor glyphs we get.

The buff to Corpse Explosion must also be considered, especially since the permanent pet can be turned into a scaling bomb.

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Old 12/16/08, 12:19 PM   #19
Trenti
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Human Death Knight
 
Khaz Modan
There's been a lot of discussion in the Frost threads about the best rotation, most of which do not include Plague Strike. Would be nice to see that reflected here when you get a chance.

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Old 12/17/08, 8:27 PM   #20
Memento
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Dragonblight
Nitpicking: the link you have for Death Strike in the Benefits of Bringing a DK section is broken.

Other than that seems like a good primer, will read in detail on lunch.

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Old 12/27/08, 12:02 PM   #21
Katya
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Orc Warlock
 
Die Silberne Hand (EU)
hi,
zurm updated the unholy dps facts sheet: Unholy DPS Discussion

the most important changes (my pov):
- melee hit requirements are now reduced to 8% (263 hit).
- when weighting stats, the value for hit rating decreases after reaching 8%, but stays relatively high, up until your individual talent- and raid-buff-dependent spell hitcap (virulence, misery, heroic presence etc. => between 11% and 17%, if i didn't miss something)
- new cookie-cutter build for unholy without desecration, in combination with glyph of scourge strike
- your gargoyle 'inherits' its ap-based damage bonus on activation, later changes to ap don't affect it (wait for unholy strength and other procs, then activate your ap trinkets and / or blood fury before you summon it) - raid buffs still affect your gargoyle (e.g. bloodlust)
- agility added to stat weightings (for unholy only your IT and your DC profit from your spell crit chance, unholy blight cannot crit, wandering plague uses melee crit and DND-crits don't count for boss fights - consider this, when judging items like [Hemorrhaging Circle] )

Last edited by Katya : 12/27/08 at 12:22 PM. Reason: additions

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Old 12/27/08, 3:25 PM   #22
Nerub
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Orc Death Knight
 
Azshara (EU)
Is there anyone out there playing Unholy DPS without the Scourge Strike glyph nowadays? I can only see this happening if you are easily confused because of the on-the-fly changes you have to apply to your rotation.

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Old 01/08/09, 12:17 PM   #23
Prohealz
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Orc Shaman
 
Detheroc
you might also want to modify the glyphs, since horn of winter doesnt use runic power as of 3.0.8 unless the change the glyph its useless

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Old 01/12/09, 4:58 PM   #24
Nerub
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Originally Posted by Vicarian View Post
you might also want to modify the glyphs, since horn of winter doesnt use runic power as of 3.0.8 unless the change the glyph its useless
The new HoW glyph is better than the current one, you might want to read the PTR notes.

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Old 01/20/09, 10:24 PM   #25
jestyr
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Human Death Knight
 
Bloodhoof
Please update this for patch 3.0.8. This is an excellent source of information that should be required reading for all DKs.

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Old 01/24/09, 9:10 PM   #26
Calamar
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Pandaren Monk
 
Earthen Ring
The Dual Wield section should probably be expanded to at least mention the 0/44/27 and 0/32/39. Discussion's still very much in the air especially after 3.0.8, but the latter spec at least is still pumping out serious numbers, and I hardly ever hear of anyone using the trispec detailed here anymore.

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Old 01/25/09, 4:16 PM   #27
bambinoman
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Human Death Knight
 
Perenolde
Frost unholy build

So i have played the ever popular 0/32/39 frost/unholy hybrid spec for a while and it has seemed to be quite a bit of dps. With this most recent patch, we got hit with what seems to be a hard nerf from Killing Machine. I decided to experiment yesterday by 2 things: 1. Seeing how Killing machine would effect a 2h, and 2. How it would effect Frost strike, since it is a weapon based spell deep in what used to be a DW tree.

I was sceptical about how often killing machine would proc with a slow 2h, but since Blizz has scaled the proc rate to the weapon speed, I am finding that it procs just as much as DW. Also a 2h gets more of a bonus from haste effect % wise than 1h's do. In the unholy tree Necrosis and Bloodcaked strikes are also doing more over all damage for me, at least according to recount. Next i tried altering my spec to include frost strike and a few other talents. First i removed Crypt fever, Desecration, and Reaping from the unholy tree. Sad yes i know. If you can run with an Unholy dk like I do then this more than makes up for the lack of Crypt fever or Ebon plague bringer on your part. (why do work when someone else can). Desecration is a sad loss but one that you can make up for later. Last you can replace reaping.

Now, moving oveer to the frost tree we need to add three talent poitns to get to the next talent tier. I personally put them in Runic power mastery. With glyph of icey touch and the chill of the grave talent, i am never out of runic power. next we put five points into Blood of the north. Not only does this completely make up for Reaping, but adds 15% damamge to your blood strikes. Next we get 3 into Guile of Gorefeind. This i beleive is one of the best talents in the tree to make up for the killing machine nerf. This increases your critical strke damage of howling blast, frost strike, Blood strike, and obliterate by 45%. Sadly the crit amount from my howling blast after the patch went from 80% crit, to 40% crit. Adding 45% damage helps immensly when putting that back on top fo the damage meter.

Last is frost strike. This argument sells itself. it does on avarage for me 200-300 more damage than death coil, it has at least triple the crit , with the glyph that reduces the runic power cost, and the talent for 30 extra runic power, with a full bar you can spam it 4 times. Also it cant be blocked, dodged or parried. With a 2h damage from the 60% base weapon damage, the massive crit rating, and the crit damamge bonus, for me it is criting almost evry other time and critting for about 3500-4k. This has been a massive dps boost from the old spec and rotation for me.

Please feel free to try it out and see what you think.

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Old 01/25/09, 4:17 PM   #28
bambinoman
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Human Death Knight
 
Perenolde
BTW the spec is 0/44/27

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Old 01/30/09, 5:41 PM   #29
Morv
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Undead Rogue
 
Tichondrius
This is a great post for starting DKs, but I think it needs to be updated to more post 3.08 information. Such as the 51/0/20 spec for Blood, and more of the DW options.

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Old 02/02/09, 12:26 PM   #30
KaynDarksbane
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Orc Death Knight
 
Wildhammer
You might look into updating the Blood Glyphs section for Glyph of BS. According to testing done HERE it applies to HS and can be activated on bosses through CoI and most likely FFB debuff.

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