You state in your basic talent structure that if you're under geared you would consider spending 2 points in Dreamstate, but that if you have raiding gear that you'd spend 6 points between Moonglow & Furor. Are you saying that being under geared you ONLY have to put points into Dreamstate rather than including it with the Moonglow & Furor or just straight up Dreamstate and not worry about the other two?

If that is true, and you are geared, why put 4 points into mana issues if they can be solved with Innerating yourself and put them into dps increases?

Or am I missing something here?

I was thinking about that too. I can't actually get on to check this, but do Dreamstate and the Innervate glyph play off one another? Does the innervate glyph's effect count as a self-innervate?

So you'd give it away, but keep 50% of the benefit from the glyph, then add on the Dreamstate effects?

- Innervate = 20% Max Mana
- Glyph, then to another = 10% Max Mana
- Dreamstate = Regain an additional 30%

If that works you'd get 40% mana back, while still giving that 20% to a healer. Does this work, and if so do others deem it more elegant than further points in Furor/Moonglow?

Hello Mr Hamlet!

I have a question about early refreshing of DOTs. I've encountered plenty of situations where I enter either a solar Eclipse or Lunar Eclipse with say, 6-8 seconds left on my DOTs. I'm a little confused about what I should do in such situations.

For example, say I enter Lunar Eclipse, I know that I need to cast at least 1 DOT to proc Nature's Grace. Should I be refreshing only one of them, just to get the Nature's Grace up? Or should I be refreshing both (casting the weaker IS first, then MF)? Or should I be refreshing neither and just wait for the DOTs to run down and refresh them normally?

Right now I typically refresh both my DOTs whenever I enter an Eclipse, which puts me in a bit of a spot at a situation where my DOTs run out while I'm only about 2/3rd the way across to the next Eclipse. I'm not sure if I should refresh my DOTs then (and then have to clip and refresh my DOTs early once I enter the next Eclipse), or just forget refreshing them until I enter Eclipse (and lose a fair bit of DOT uptime).

I'm not a native English speaker, hope I wasn't too confusing with my question, thanks for your help!

I have a possible small addition. Under the profession/engineering section it may be useful to note the Engineering Cogwheels. The engineering helm, Camouflage Bio-Optic Killshades when gemmed with the cogwheels, is equal but slightly more customizable than the Stormrider's Cover. (The stats don't equal on a 1 to 1 basis, the engineering helm has a +20 intellect socket bonus, tier piece has +30 intellect socket bonus, but each cog is +208 to a secondary stat which each have different weights making the engineering helm a little better dependent on the secondary stats you choose.)

This may not be of value if Blizzard does not provide engineering helm upgrades in the future - but for now it is a nice additional perk for engineers. +208 Spirit goes a long ways towards reaching the hit cap.

Cogwheels:
Sparkling Cogwheel (+208 Spirit)
Quick Cogwheel (+208 Haste)
Smooth Cogwheel (+208 Crit)
Rigid Cogwheel (+208 Hit)
Fractured Cogwheel (+208 Mastery)

Dreamstate and Glyph of Innervate: don't actually know if I've tested for sure--I'd just assumed it doesn't work that way. Could check if you want.

DoT refreshing: In general, don't clip them. It's not a big deal to refresh when they run out part of the way through Eclipse get your NG later.

Engineering: I'm generally not including profession benefits in the way of BoP items, since I'm not doing gear analysis overall. The goal is on the permanent, constant benefits of each profession.

At the moment the Lunar Shower buff falls off after the first second of not moving even if you move to refresh before it runs the remaining 2 seconds. Has it been determined if this is intentional or a bug?

Also tested the Gylph of innervate proccing Dreamstate question. No it does not proc it as far as I can tell. Checked through mana gains combat text.

Yeah, that would make it around as good as the others, although still not quite as good as Engineering or LW. I also still need to confirm what the ICD is though.

Do you know if casting Insect Swarm as soon as either a Solar or Lunar eclipse procs, with the tier 11 bonus of the 99% crit chance of the first spell cast when eclipse procs, will count as the first spell and have the 99% crit?

Just as a (somewhat personally painful) note, apparently tinker discoveries are bugged such that if you didn't discover them before you hit 525, no amount of item creation after 525 will discover them. So, if you are still on your way to 525 and haven't yet discovered Synapse Springs, spam even a grey Cata recipe (Electrified Ether, Obsidium Bolts, whatever) until you do discover them. THEN, hit 525. I'm sure Blizz will get around to fixing this, but at least until then, be forewarned -- this is our primary benefit from Engineering and you don't want to be without it.

The engineering macro silences the error message on the screen but you still get an audible message that 'that can't be used yet'. To silence that and the UI error message the macro should be modified to this:

I'll test swapping innervates to another balance later tonight but I just tested after looking at our WoL and it seems that perhaps it's dreamstate that is causing something weird but:

Resto druid with glyph:

- cast innervate on yourself -- 100%
- cast innervate on another -- 100% to that person 50% to you - 150% total

Balance druid with glyph and dreamstate

- cast innervate on another -- 100% to that person 50% to you (you dont get the extra 30% to the 50% you get from dreamstate)
- cast innervate on yourself -- 240% to you. ???

I noticed it looking at our parses and logged on to test it myself and it's still giving you a huge amount of mana when only cast on yourself if you have dreamstate. I'll test it without dreamstate tonight.

Curious,

I was running simulationcraft earlier today to test out a few items, and I was consistently getting back reports which were putting mastery well above crit in terms of scaling once you reach the T11 level of gearing (possibly at lower points of gearing as well, but I haven't completed a full test yet.) On a normalized scale with Intellect being 1, mastery held a value of 0.3101 and crit a value of 0.2296 on a patchwerk styled fight lasting a 500 second variable. During a movement encounter, mastery held a value of 0.3488 and crit a value of 0.2241.

I know that they are still in beta and that there are still kinks that need to be worked out, however I was wondering if anyone else was getting any similar results via any other form of simulation? (Sadly, Wrathcalcs hates my computer so I cannot double check with that at the moment.)

I'll look into that once exams are done--I'd seen mastery potentially equaling or surpassing crit in some setups, but not by nearly that much.

Have you tried the "no tables" version of WrathCalcs? It should work in OpenOffice and other programs. Even though you can't read the scaling factors in that one, you can do things like manually add 100 to stat to see how much DPS it gives in WC model.

I believe I had read somewhere about Eclipse being a bit delayed, but wondering if anyone else had this issue. Using the Balance Power Tracker to switch nukes on time, if you stand at max range a Wrath takes longer to get to the target than the cast time of a Starsurge (currently at 1961 haste rating). I'm having issues where the Starsurge (which still moves the Eclipse bar) isn't doing Eclipsed damage (roughly 13k vs 30k). It seems that spells move the bar as they hit the target, but take their energy as the cast finishes. Is this an issue, or should I just not use SS as my first Eclipsed spell?

It depends, really.

Solar/Lunar Power is not gained until a spell actually deals damage. Therefore you will not gain anything if the spell misses or until Wrath/Starsurge actually hits the target.

The buff itself has a slight delay in proccing once you reach 100, (and falling off once you reach 0.) Further spells calculate character buffs at cast, not upon damage. Therefore any buff you have present at spell completion will be applied even if it falls off before the spell actually lands. Since you are completing the cast before Lunar Eclipse actually procs, the game does not register that you have the buff.

In your situation, it would be best to lead off with either Starfire or Starfall depending on the situation if you are completing Starsurge casts before gaining the Lunar Eclipse buff. (Similarly, you should hold Starsurge slightly and cast it just after your last Wrath during a Solar Eclipse so that both spells will benefit from Eclipse.)

As a side note, the plasma shields have a couple particularly nasty side effects that might make you think 2x about using them, 3x if you are a tank.

Grounded Plasma Shield - Spell - World of Warcraft

Is that a 50 second ICD or a 50 second average proc time?

One thing I am finding the sheet missing is the hurricane enchant as the maelstrom crystals aren't in readily available supply yet for a lot of servers.

About the Grounded Plasma Shield tinker, it can misfire during raids, had it happen to me during the Valonia & Theralion encounter in Bastion of Twilight.
WoL Report

Works great most of the time, but 3 misfires in maybe 20 uses makes me want to take it off my Barkskin macro.

just want to add that flask of enhancement gives you +80 intel (or w/e stat is your highest, i'm hoping for a moonkin is intel and not agility) and is non-consumed in the proces...
is great for dungeons...

Hi Hamlet,

I have some problems with wrathcalc.
System: Windows 7, Open Office 3.3RC

the version 101204 (normal and no tables) seem to do not allow gemming. ERR502
meta gems are ok...but not the normal gems.

Are you aware of this problem?
Can anyone confirm it?
Is there any workaround?

and another thing which probably is not interlinked...I am always asked when I open the sheet if I want to load files connected/referenced files/tables to this spreadsheet. (I tried all options but doesnt solve the problem.)

/Cheers

Hello,

Was wondering if it's worth refreshing the SUNFIRE DOT right before solar eclipse ends? And refreshing insect swarm?

Also, other than when Starsurge procs, if one is in a Solar eclipse, I'm seeing on some Training Dummy testing that it's better off to wait until Solar is just about over, then use the eclipse to get to Lunar faster.... Starsurge will act as either arcane or nature, but while not in an eclipse state our dps drops significantly.

I read an earlier post about starting boss fights with an eclipse already proc'd. I've been doing that, and wondering every time, what other class has to reserve spell on fights to get ready for a boss? I've seen this be a 2K dps or more swing.