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Old 11/24/10, 3:23 AM   #241
Consider
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Dragonblight
If you wish to link an item which has two versions of the same name (as nearly all dungeon items do these days), simply use the spellID instead of the name. In this case, that would mean [item]65171[*/item], removing the asterisk, of course.

Anyways, fixed. I need to go through the BiS lists again anyways, as they appear to have changed the stat on many of the raid items since early in beta, not to mention I need to doublecheck that all of the reforging is accurate with all the gemming changes that have gone back and forth thanks to the ever-shifting meta req's. At most, the lists might be a single item off at the moment, but even that will be remedied shortly, and well before Dec 7th.

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Old 11/24/10, 11:18 AM   #242
Griefpb
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Boulderfist
More blue gems than red gems? Ya...no. Change it back.
The current design has been reconsidered, so we're planning to revert gems that now require more blue than red gems back to their original requirements. Such a change can't be accomplished via a hotfix though, so we'll have to wait to revert these in a future patch.
Blue post, changing the 3% crit damage meta gem from a ridiculous requirement.

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Old 11/29/10, 1:46 PM   #243
cgambleh
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Lightbringer
Hey Consider,

For the DW pre-heroic BiS, you put [Sun Strike] for the offhand weap, is that better than [Dawnblaze Blade] acquired from Justice Points?

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Old 11/29/10, 6:05 PM   #244
Darkaeth
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Elune
I would assume it's because of the stat weights associated with the weapons that places [Sun Strike] ahead as well as how it works with the rest of the gear setup.

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Old 11/29/10, 6:28 PM   #245
frozenkex
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Human Death Knight
 
Ravencrest (EU)
So i noticed that the main post doesn't mention Festering Strike anywhere, my question is then, is it completely out of the picture now for frost?

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Old 11/29/10, 7:28 PM   #246
kc102
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Anvilmar
FeS should not be used in a standard Frost rotation. HB will be sufficient normally. FeS was designed for Unholy so it could use its excess Frost runes. You can assume if it isn't mentioned, it isn't worth mentioning. You'd want to use it for an Obliterate or Howling Blast as there's almost no situation where you'd want to burn the BF runes.

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Old 11/29/10, 9:19 PM   #247
aldy
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Fenris
Originally Posted by cgambleh View Post
Hey Consider,

For the DW pre-heroic BiS, you put [Sun Strike] for the offhand weap, is that better than [Dawnblaze Blade] acquired from Justice Points?
Don't quote me on it, but I think Consider mentioned on his blog that the item lists still need some work. Not that it matters much, as it will only take a week to get raid ready and luck/random chance will determine what your gear set up it, for the vast majority of people at least.
Anyways, I would think that the higher ilvl (and consequently higher STR and white dmg) of the [Dawnblaze Blade] would make it the superior choice. It's also very easy to get, 960 JP if its the same as on Beta. Both still lose out to Cookie's though.

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Old 11/29/10, 11:53 PM   #248
stouthardy
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Gnome Warrior
 
Black Dragonflight
From what I understand

the JP system will vary slightly 960 JP are easy to get atm..and you can 'farm' them currently and only hold 4k - however, JP gear will be greatly outdated come 83/84 and surely in 85 heroics. Though dawnblades IMO up dps

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Old 11/30/10, 4:37 AM   #249
Flin
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Burning Legion
Originally Posted by stouthardy View Post
the JP system will vary slightly 960 JP are easy to get atm..and you can 'farm' them currently and only hold 4k - however, JP gear will be greatly outdated come 83/84 and surely in 85 heroics. Though dawnblades IMO up dps
Um, if you look at the BiS list, it's quite clear that the JP gear won't be outdated fully until raids. Also, most of the gear has a minimum level requirement of 85, meaning that it wouldn't even be possible to get at 83/84, let alone for it to be outdated.

Unless I misunderstand you somehow....

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Old 12/02/10, 1:47 AM   #250
iambene
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I had a question , since KM OB is highest priority say i have my KM proc up and my OB is on a 4-3sec CD would it be better to wait those 4-3 seconds or go ahead and FS ?

Edit : got the race related question ans thanks.

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Old 12/03/10, 2:55 AM   #251
Flin
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From my understanding, the primary mistake made by players is a reluctance that leads to waste (with RP and runes). I'd think that the same thing would apply for procs like KM, but I could be wrong. Notice that each and every melee attack (which you have quite a few of) can proc a KM. That means that every auto-attack or BS that you go without using your KM you're wasting more potential KMs.

Based on that, I'd say go ahead and blow it on the FS. But I may be wrong.

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Old 12/03/10, 9:28 AM   #252
aldy
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Well technically, as long as you have one of each rune type cooling (which you MUST since you are waiting to do Ob), and that Ob you're waiting on won't overcap RP, you actually aren't wasting any resources by waiting 3 seconds for KM Ob (that's the point of the new rune system). The only costs are 3 seconds of lost KM possibilities and an increase in your micromanagement/attention. I didn't do any raiding on Beta so I can't speak from personal experience, but if unused GCDs are as sparse as they are predicted to be, I'll be more concerned with filling all the GCDs and managing the fight mechanics than worrying about whether FS or OB gets the KM. Another huge factor is how big of a difference there is in damage between crit FS and crit OB. I don't think the difference is currently going to be enough to make a significant difference...

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Old 12/03/10, 10:49 AM   #253
Anomorn
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Orc Rogue
 
Kul Tiras
this is concerning goblin being the new best pve racial for frost dual wield on horde.

i'm wondering how you're getting that a 1% increase in attack speed is better than even blood fury alone. blood fury gives 1170 attack power for 15 seconds every two minutes. (1170/120) * 15 = 156.25 attack power. 1 strength gives 2 attack power so blood fury gives the equivalent of 73.125 strength.

being very conservative, let's say the attack speed on a frost dw dk is at 1.5, one percent of 1.5 is .015

now i may have done my math wrong or i may be misunderstanding what the new goblin racial will do, but i'm going to say that 73.125 strength equivalent from being orc is better than roughly a .015 second attack speed increase (which i'm pretty sure only affects melee autoattack swings). after that take into consideration axe specialization.

please correct me if i'm wrong.

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Old 12/03/10, 10:58 AM   #254
FriedCherry
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Kirin Tor
Originally Posted by Anomorn View Post
this is concerning goblin being the new best pve racial for frost dual wield on horde.

i'm wondering how you're getting that a 1% increase in attack speed is better than even blood fury alone. blood fury gives 1170 attack power for 15 seconds every two minutes. (1170/120) * 15 = 156.25 attack power. 1 strength gives 2 attack power so blood fury gives the equivalent of 73.125 strength.

being very conservative, let's say the attack speed on a frost dw dk is at 1.5, one percent of 1.5 is .015

now i may have done my math wrong or i may be misunderstanding what the new goblin racial will do, but i'm going to say that 73.125 strength equivalent from being orc is better than roughly a .015 second attack speed increase (which i'm pretty sure only affects melee autoattack swings). after that take into consideration axe specialization.

please correct me if i'm wrong.
You can not compare the AP to STR like that. STR would scale, making it much more attractive and therefore probably out do the speed increase. However, AP does not so your 156.25 AP is just that. Do not convert AP to STR.

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Old 12/06/10, 11:35 AM   #255
jokerboy1994
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Human Death Knight
 
Frostmane (EU)
"Dual wielding will use Rune of Razorice on their main hand, with Rune of the Fallen Crusader on their offhand, as they always have."

Wasn't it Fallen Crusader on MH and Razorice on OH?

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