Since Blizzard are dragging their feet over reverting the meta gem requirements on the Chaotic meta would we be better off using a different meta in the meantime? I am guessing Destructive Shadowspirit Diamond is the best since they all provide 54 crit and something else useless and this one requires only red gems to activate.

The BiS lists on the OP suggest that Curshing Weight would be superior and BiS compared to Heart of Rage, but I did some simple math using what is written on the trinkets section and the OP stat values;

Crushing Weight: 321x3.08 + 1/5x1926x0.76 = 1281,432
Heart of Rage: 193x0.66 + 128x0.76 + 1/5x1926x3.08 = 1411,076

Heart of Rage has 128 expertise reforged into haste. Am I doing something wrong or is this indeed the case?

Oh, and the OP has placed heroic Crushing Weight on the pre-hardmode BiS list by mistake.

Corrected. Probably need to go doublecheck the Frost trinkets, too, which I'll do in a bit.

It was initially assumed/believed that level 85 proc trinkets had ICDs equal to 1/6th, not the 1/5th we now know they all are, which means you want the superior stat (strength, of course) to be the proc, not the passive, if you can help it... especially since you can reforge a secondary stat if it's the passive, not the proc. Thus, Heart of Rage takes the lead.

That said, just because the ICD is 5x the proc's duration, that does *not* make the uptime 1/5th. It won't go off the second the cooldown is up; both trinkets in question, for example, have a mere 10% chance to proc, which means it will take a solid 5-10 seconds for it to actually happen. This also helps boost trinkets such as HoR; because they both have the same chance to proc (and thus take the same amount of time to proc after coming off cooldown), you'll end up with a higher uptime for whichever one has a higher duration + cooldown if the duration/cooldown is identical (in theory, anyways; in reality, it only makes a difference if it lets you get an actual proc off during the course of the encounter). Of course, the fact that HoR's proc is strength while CW's is haste negates this advantage and actually lessens the gap, but if they were the same stat, it would do the opposite.

I still need to thing of a new way to tackle the trinket section. Something I'm tossing around in my head.

(This was in reference to a deleted post concerning [Fury of Angerforge])

From what reports I've heard, the trinket is currently horrible. It apparently has a 10s ICD on gaining a charge; and considering charges only have a 15s duration to begin with, that gives you a very small window in which to stack it up, making it incredibly unlikely you'll actually reach 5 charges as 2H, and only somewhat higher odds as DW.

As such, it's just plain bad. Even if the stacking mechanic didn't exist and you could simply activate the use effect whenever it was off cooldown, it would still be worse than, say, Heart of Rage. It would at least be somewhat decent... with the stacking buff being as it is, those blues are both easily superior.

Unfortunately, with several trinkets at this time, and epic budget + this type of proc does not equal a valuable trinket. I haven't been able to test Rage of Ages, but I was able to obtain the Fury of Angerforge, with a similar type of proc (need 5 stacks to use the str buff, timer on stacks usually falls off before getting to 5).

From this experience, I'd confirm that until it's easier to obtain stacks and/or stacks don't drop off, Rage of Ages and similar trinkets have dubious value over even ilevel 346 blue on-use trinkets.

Sorry, meant Heart of Rage instead of the neck.

I did not see this discussed, so I wanted to bring it up. I am a 2H unholy DK. Based on stat weights, I am seeing that pvp and tanking epics are > heroic items properly itemized.

I took [Gauntlets of Rattling Bones] and put it up against [Vicious Gladiator's Dreadplate Gauntlets] after crunching the numbers based on statweights, the pvp gloves came out ahead 61.48 dps (not to mention the slight increase if u ever had to snare during a pve fight)

I then took [Stonemason's Helm] and put it against [Daybreaker Helm] (reforging parry to hit) and taking into account a loss of 10str and 20hit from gems/bonuses, the Daybreaker helm still rocked the other helm by 108.6dps

Because of how strong strength is, are these numbers correct? or am I totally missing something?

My question is towards Reforging. I remember when I first looked at your Unholy thread for Cata and there was a simple little guide on how to reforge. Like if you were hit capped, reforge your hit to haste and if it already had haste, put it to crit. What happened to that little process? Was it not a very good means to reforge? I'm just trying to find the best way to reforge stuff at this moment. I'm at 8.09% hit so I've basically reforged to Hit, Haste, Crit, Expertise, but should we only take from Hit and Mastery into those stats or should we take for example Crit into Haste if we don't have Haste capped yet? This is how I reforged the other night and went into a heroic and saw a pretty good increase in my overall dps, but still trying to figure out if taking away from one stat is worth it, considering you'll have to bring it back up again, e.g. Crit into Haste, Haste caps, now work on Crit

The value of the [Darkmoon Card: Hurricane] proc is hard to find out.

Would I be right in assuming that it is probably below both [Heart of Solace] and [Heart of Rage]?

I have the former already, and the latter is mine as soon as it drops again (passed on it last reset cause I, like many others, assumed it was a 90sec ICD )

But I also have the deck ready for next week. Thinking I should probably sell it now.

Curious, are slow one handed weapons optimal for dual wield unholy? is weapon speed taken into consideration or is it not considered and just the stats themselves are important?. would the change slow weapons would make effecting the damage output of Scourge strike (hitting harder), more RotFC procs, but less count of auto attacks on the boss do better, or maybe these are insignificant?

possibly they weren't taken into consideration seeing as though 2.8 speed weapons were only available from heroics. question really boils down to is the slower the weapon more potential damage output? faster weapons? or just their inherent stats?

If it is in fact the case is having 2.8 speed weapon and glyphing scourge strike glyph optimal? I'm still using heroic weapons the ones listed under pre-raid, and saw that they differed from the frost BiS being that 2.8 speed was optimal.

How does raw weapon DPS weigh in?

On Tuesday the epic gladiator weapons will be available to just about everyone and while upgrading from a blue may be a no-brainer I'd be interested to see how wide the margin is considering the budget that is spent on resilience.

I raided a couple of weeks with DMC:Hurricane, but switched to Heart of Rage + Heart of Solace. It typically would be around 200-300 dps in my parses (many fights have downtime, though, of course). To be better than Heart of Rage, though, the proc dps needs to be higher than at least what I saw.

HoR = 1926 * 0.2 * 3.08 + 193 * 0.66 + 128 * 0.76 = 1411
DMC:H = 321 * 3.08 + X = 989 + X

To be even, it has to be 422 DPS; this is higher than I've seen in any in-raid parses. There is pretty high variation because of the low proc rate, but I'm not convinced it is even 400 from my own testing. simcraft thinks it is 1ppm (but seems broken with ppm procs; I'm looking into that separately).

Even Heart of Solace comes out pretty well:
HoS = 1710 * 0.2 * 3.08 + 285 * 0.76 = 1270

Meaning to even beat heroic HoS, it needs to 281dps which is ballpark what I tended to see in raids. It has no internal cooldown but with a relatively low proc rate, there can be a lot of variation in its damage contribution. It also offers no AOE or multi-target contribution, but strength procs may or may not either depending on timing.

I'm not sure it's such a slam dunk, at least from my experience.