Frost DPS | Cataclysm 4.0.6, This Is My Life - Page 13

Ehanoro · 02/02/11, 1:48 PM

Has anyone tested if Glyph of PoF protects you from Halfus' Furious Roar ability? I was going to test it on Heroic last night, seeing how the 50% to dead phase is a dps burn, and our Major Glyphs aren't that impressive, but I was called to interrupt and I figured getting pinned down outside of interrupt range, even with a cancel aura macro, could lead to a wipe if I was to not notice.

Therosian · 02/02/11, 2:17 PM

The Glyph will not protect you from Furious Roar, as it is a knockdown/stun. Icebound Fortitude however prevents the knockdown/stun and allows you to interrupt. Unfortunately it is on such a long cooldown that it needs to be premeditated so no one else is using a similar CD to interrupt as well.

Kaejin · 02/02/11, 6:23 PM

Originally Posted by Therosian

The Glyph will not protect you from Furious Roar, as it is a knockdown/stun. Icebound Fortitude however prevents the knockdown/stun and allows you to interrupt. Unfortunately it is on such a long cooldown that it needs to be premeditated so no one else is using a similar CD to interrupt as well.

It definitely doesn't prevent the knockdown, though it lets you get off an attack between knockdowns if you're quick and don't have any latency problems.

sp00n · 02/03/11, 7:33 PM

Hm, like some others, I'm seeing quite unusual haste EP values in Kahories simulator for Frost DW with my current gear.

Strength	2.32
Yellow Hit	1.02
Spell Hit	0.80
Expertise	0.94
Mastery	0.74
Haste	0.80
Crit	0.56
Attack Power	0.81

It's better than crit and even mastery.

Not sure if this is expected behaviour, but the stat scaling shows a better scaling than crit until very high values. It's getting clearly worse than mastery pretty soon though (not shown on this pic).

So is this correct, some sort of (still not fixed) bug or simply due to my gear not having reached ilvl 359, for which the stats in the OP were calculated?

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sp00n · 02/04/11, 4:57 AM

So, while gearing up and not being in BiS, is there some sort of inflection point, when you start being GCD capped and haste is losing its value?

Is this doable with the sim?
From the graph above, I can't really extract such a point, though haste does go below crit at some point, it's quite high. 1800 additional (it is additional and not absolute, right?) haste seems quite unachievable for me at the time being.

Kahdrick · 02/04/11, 7:32 PM

Originally Posted by Kaejin

It definitely doesn't prevent the knockdown, though it lets you get off an attack between knockdowns if you're quick and don't have any latency problems.

You can certainly get off a single, instant action that is off the GCD between all knockdowns without any special buff up. You can also move a small amount. This may be good for any ability, GCD or not, but I've only really examined the ones off the GCD.

Abilities I've verified that work between knockdowns:
Mind Freeze
Strangulate
IBF
AMS
PvP Trinket (dunno why you'd do this, but I tested and it works)
Healthstone
Potions (technically I only tested with a runic healing potion, but I assume all potions fall into the same use mechanic)
Lichbourne
Movement in any direction (roughly 3 yards max between knockdowns; can move while using other abilities listed here).

Based on talking to other classes, I think stating that anything off the GCD is fine to use.

There is no reason you shouldn't be able to interrupt after the 3rd knockdown as long as you stay in melee range of halfus - just spam mind freeze as soon as you get knocked down the third time. I am always on interrupt duty and I never have any problem with this.

I'm sitting around 40ms ping, however, so if yours is slower, I could see the ability not firing in time.

Teohetimokan · 02/04/11, 8:37 PM

Hi everyone,

First excuse me for my bad english, i'm french.

I used to play DK frost for a long time ago now. Always reading EJ forums and make my own conclusions.

One mons ago, i just played with Kahorie's and find some weard results when I start to play in UH presence.
So i decide to see myself in game... and it was right.
First i was with some gear of the 359 BIS, hit and expertise caped, but just when i turn on to UH presence, i can see my dps increased.
Some days after, i realise when playing again with Kahorie's, swithing all my stuff to haste>mastery, my dps was really better, and EP values said Force>haste>mastery>crit>hit>exp .

So, whit a BIS items who has Haste and mastery, the Haste EP courbes is getting highter and highter.

At the end, this is the best i can have with Kahorie's whit only 359 items, and after 30 days of testing it in raids, i think Kahorie's is right.

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PlagueStrike(OH)	11487873	0	5570	2062	4763	1801	86	807	3604	14	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

DPS 20099(+/- 1626)
Total Damage 7235,51m
RunicPower Total runic power used: 3493824 (37123 wasted)
Threat Per Second 15829
Generated in 13,05 s
Template Empty
Priority teste
Presence Unholy
Sigil
RuneEnchant
Pet Calculation True

Hidden · 02/05/11, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by AtheistGod

With .48% crit chance it took about 50 Killing Machine Frost Strikes to see it. Killing Machine was consumed and the offhand strike crit but the mainhand did not crit.

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I haven't seen an answer to your post yet so I'll just assume this hasn't been posted yet:
Most likely (and WoWHead spell data is speaking in my favor there) Killing Machine just adds 100% crit to the abilities affected. If you have a base crit chance of 0.48% you'll have 100.48% crit with KM up, however that's before boss level crit chance reduction is taken into account. I'm not sure about exact Cataclysm values but if I remember correctly it was around 3% for most of WoW (and at the very least 0.6% which would also be higher than 0.48%).
So assuming it's 3%, you'll only have a 97.48% crit chance with KM up if you have 0.48% base crit.

This would also explain that most people aren't experiencing this issue because usually you have more than 3% crit in a raid when buffed.

FailureToLoad · 02/07/11, 10:40 AM

I've also noticed the bug with killing machine. I haven't done any in depth testing to really give much to back my statement, but even while dummy testing I noticed every so often my main hand damage wouldn't show at all. I've got roughly 11% crit, 10% hit and I believe only 16 expertise, so it may be my hit/expertise producing the results. If my KM's gave consistent main/off crits, I would probably be in range of my unholy 2h spec in terms of damage, but in raid I'm seeing a pretty stark contrast between the two.

Kaejin · 02/07/11, 4:56 PM

That's just a display issue. Check your combat log and you'll see that your offhand is critting as well.

facelessmanchs · 02/09/11, 5:05 PM

I am eagerly awaiting Consider's 4.0.6 update to this thread (I hope he is planning an update). In the mean time, I have been reading various forums regarding the DW Frost spec. The consensus thus far seems to be that the spec is basically dead (at least when you compare straight dps to unholy). After raid last night, I was almost ready to jump on that same bandwagon; however, this afternoon I had some time to do some exploring of my own. With the changes made to the Virulence talent, it would seem to be a no-brainer to pickup all three points in place of 2 IBT and 1 Butchery. It would seem to me that 4/31/6 is probably the way to go. I'm going to run with this spec tonight during raid before I post any numbers. I just wanted to get some other DW Frost DK opinions on this. As anyone found a better spec or agree/disagree?

<EDIT> - Removed inaccurate DPS readings.

Nahela · 02/09/11, 6:51 PM

You shouldn't be seeing a 2-2.5k difference on 30% of less than 10% of our overall damage. Regardless, Virulence is certainly worth picking up over IBT, as it is a boost.

facelessmanchs · 02/09/11, 7:42 PM

@Nahela - You are correct. I am not seeing 2-2.5k worth of increased dps. I made my initial post a little bit too quickly after banging away on some boss dummies. I can't really explain how I got 2-2.5k the first time (other than some really good RNG with trinkets and whatnot), but there is an increase regardless. I'll comb through my logs more thoroughly tonight and try to provide more accurate information.

Jaysue · 02/09/11, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by facelessmanchs

@Nahela - You are correct. I am not seeing 2-2.5k worth of increased dps. I made my initial post a little bit too quickly after banging away on some boss dummies. I can't really explain how I got 2-2.5k the first time (other than some really good RNG with trinkets and whatnot), but there is an increase regardless. I'll comb through my logs more thoroughly tonight and try to provide more accurate information.

Perhaps your diseases were on multiple dummies.
Be sad to see IBT go from my spec, it's nice and convenient to have it for every PoF and PS.

alloy20 · 02/10/11, 3:53 AM

Further to facelessmanchs comments on dropping points out of the blood tree to pick up virulence. I did the same thing last night but with DW Frost only being an off spec I don't get a chance to really test this in raids. However as for dummy numbers in about a spilt of 50/50 HC 5 man and epic normal raiding gear I was seeing an increase 350-400 per tick on frost fever and 250-300 per tick on blood plague. If we say Butchery at 2 points is a free FS every 80 seconds, this change in spec pushes that to a free FS every 160 seconds. The loss of 30 seconds on IBT I suppose is variable but I believe would be mostly used to pair up a single UH or F rune for an obliterate or a refresh on BP. The minute CD still lines it up with PoF so arguably its primary use stays in tact.