I'm having an issue with the priority when it comes to Killing Machine. Sorry if this was covered, searching for Killing Machine didn't turn anything up and just "KM" is too few characters.

Quite often I find myself with a KM proc, full or nearly full runic power, and at least 4 or 5 seconds left before I'm able to obliterate again. Using the new rune system intelligently (remembering that you aren't losing rune time as long as 1 is on cooldown) helps minimize the occurrence, but not eliminate it. The priority says always use KM with OB because it does a lot more damage, but in this case you're also giving up a lot of other damage by doing it that way. It depends on how close to capped my runic power is and just how long it will be before I can obliterate, but I've been using frost strike to eat the KM proc in a lot of cases.

Between overcapping RP and losing frost strikes (and potential runic empowerment procs) and the possibility of getting a second KM proc before you can use the first, using frost strike instead of waiting makes sense, but I'm not sure how to prove it. Is there a way to model the different behaviors with the sim and have it report the number of KMs (and ideally, how much runic power, how many frost strikes, and how many runic empowerments) you lose by sitting on runes?

I think there has to be some point where using FS is advantageous over waiting, the question is when. For example, if you get a KM proc right after using OB and there are 6 or 7 seconds before you can OB again, stalling has a pretty good chance of losing you the proc (and wasting RP from blood strikes, rime, or might of the frozen wastes if you play 2h). At some point, the probability of losing the proc is low enough that waiting for OB is the smarter move, I'm just not sure how to figure out where that point is. Or maybe my perception is totally wrong and the chance of losing the first KM and extra RP is low enough that you should wait even if you get the KM proc right after your frost and unholy runes start recharging.

That makes sense, but wouldn't that lowered proc rate hit for both weapons since you're dw'ing? As opposed to a single, slow weapon. I guess the question is whether the lowered chance on a faster weapon is too low to be doubled and be better than a single, slow weapon. Anyone have any idea, or will only the parses tell us that?

I'm not quite sure what you're saying, but the trinket will be a lot better for Frost than Unholy because we have many more weapon hits than they do because we're hitting everything with two weapons instead of one. Our proc chance will be ~4.3% vs. a 2h 6%, but that will be easily offset by the difference in weapon hits, not to mention the extra 20% haste Frost carries around.

Yeah, depending on your chance to hit, overall you'll be seeing an increased PPM with dual wield, especially since this trinket seems to have only a very short internal cooldown. Without any additional haste and hit (and thus a 27% chance to miss), you'd already be expecting ~1.46 PPM from auto attacks alone while dual wielding two 2.6 weapons.

I cannot comment however how this translates into real world procs where instant strikes, specials, etc. are included. That's up to you DK theorycrafters to a) find out which strikes can proc the trinket and b) implement the numbers in the simulators/whathaveyounot to find out the final total PPM.

Did some fights with [Darkmoon Card: Hurricane] tonight and I'm very pleased with the results. The proc appears to be roughly 2.5-2.9% of my damage on a standard fight and works out to around 400 DPS. I'm not entirely certain where that places it against the other heroic trinkets, but it appears to be definitely worth the money at this juncture.

Here's the logs for the night: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis & World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Can anyone else verify this? ie. that when you spec into Rime, the bug appears?

I'm thinking that Tank Pieces are being overlooked as BIS. For example, Caelestrasz's Will is better than Rage of Ages by what looks like around 7%? Reforging tank pieces with mastery is honestly pretty lucrative.

There are indeed some tanking pieces that are awesome for DPS. I'm currently wearing [Daybreaker Helm] in my DPS set (only gonna exchange it for the T11 to get the 4pc bonus) as it's got 60 more strength than any other iLvl 359 DPS helm except the engineering goggles. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some more items behaving that way

I think you will be surprised then Flin. I am talking about Dual Wield btw, which I hope everyone in the frost thread would be. For instance, [Magma Plated Chestguard] vs. [Magma Plated Battleplate]. Reforge the parry to Hit or Expertise. That item has so much more strength, and the crit and haste on the battleplate are bad stats anyways. I'm seriously thinking of wearing 4 T11 DPS pieces and this Tank chest. The difference between the Ettin shoulders and the T11 shoulders is extremely small anyways. This also carries on to the heroic versions of these items as well.

One thing to consider is that if you go with [Magma Plated Chestguard] over [Magma Plated Battleplate] you are losing what is essentially 20 free hit rating because of the +20 strength socket bonus. Red socket gets strength, blue socket gets 20 strength, 20 hit - and 20 more strength from the socket bonus.

EDIT: Probably still worth it though.

PoF takes into account procs and use trinks that occur after it was first used, this could be easily tested on your own btw.