Just to Clarify everything below applies ONLY to Dual-Wield Frost.

So I've been doing some personal BiS lists using the OP's Stat weights and I am a little stumped as to why the OP has the BiS list the way it is.

In my first BiS Set I used REGULAR [Stoneheart Choker] over HEROIC [Necklace of Fetishes]. I used the Heroic [Breastplate of Shifting Visions] as my off-piece. Still using the Tier helm over the Alysrazor Helm.

In the second BiS Set I used the OP's set as is simply for comparison.

In the third BiS Set I used the OLD BiS list, where you use the Majordomo Chest as your off piece but you still use the [Necklace of Fetishes].

Now after I counted up all the EP values for every set, neglecting the Trinket procs (because they all used the exact same trinkets) I found out that the First set using the REGULAR [Stoneheart Choker] has a higher EP Value than the OP's BiS list, and the Third BiS set mentioned above was higher than both.

So my question is this: Why is the OP using the BiS set listed when his own Stat weights contradict it? I remember he had my third set as his BiS before then it was changed to what it currently is. I've been trying to read through posts to figure out why but I can't find anything explaining his choice. Because out of the 3 sets I came up with, the set in the OP is 3rd place



Edit: Couple posts back there was Mention of using the Heroic Skystrider Belt of the Faultline over the rep belt. So I took the Third BiS Set I posted above and traded the belts out and according to the OP's stat weights it is the best out of all four Sets. Here is the Set List. Unless the stat weights are somehow wrong then I see this set as being our True BiS Set.

I'm coming back to playing a DK for the first time since ICC. I know that haste is valued above all other secondaries for DW frost, but I was wondering how much haste to build before its too much. I currently sit at 1825(14.25%), which in UH pres gives me 74.19% haste, 7.96s rune speed and a 1.49 swing speed. Is this too much or should I keep building until my swing speed is closer to 1?

So this then begs the question - comparing only DW and 2H Frost - (leaving 2H Unholy out for the moment) - will the 2H axe that drops off Rag make 2H Frost on par/better than DW Frost - since it is a higher ilvl on both normal and heroic versions??

Well the reason for Stacking haste is more for the Rune Cooldowns than simply the swing timer. I'm currently at 79.38% haste and I'm still having luls in my rotation so I think it's going to be a while before we cap out.

DW with Heroic Obsidium Cleavers will be higher DPS than the Heroic Rag mace using 2-hander Frost. The same as the Regular Cleavers and the Regular Rag mace. iLvl aside, DW just hits harder.

I'm sure there's an easy answer to this but why does the DW BiS change from normal t12 helm and chest from staghelm to heroic helm from Alyzrazor and t12 chest? Also is there a reason why heroic firebound gorget (+130 exp, +256 mast) isn't a better heroic DW BiS neck than heroic stoneheart choker (+181 crit, +154 exp)?

Stoneheart Choker has higher strength. Firebound Gorget seems to be designed as a tanking necklace, and has had its strength item budget redistributed a bit.

Read the Thread not only the OP.

As long as your Haste is to low to get gcd capped in fp it`s better to use fp over up.

In regards to the BiS list that is listed in the OP, I have a question. From what is stated for "DW - No Restrictions", I am wondering why we are picking up the Alysrazor helm or taking the Majordomo chest for the off-tier piece. Regardless if the helm has it, it still has Haste as the primary secondary stat so you could reforge the hit into Mastery (or expertise if you need it). However, with the Alysrazor helm you are having to reforge into haste from crit, and losing a little over 100 haste.

If someone can explain that itemization recommendation, that would be fantastic.

The OP's logic is that in the BiS set that uses the Tier Helm and the Majordomo chest you are so far over Hit cap it isn't worth it. Personally I've come across a couple of BiS lists myself that I think are better, but that is why the OP chose to not use the tier helm.

From my understandig Puffidredz you can and will in both instances benefit from both procs of haste.

Now from what i gather your asking if the order in which they proc/are used will affect how much haste you get then hopefully this helps

B = base haste of 77%/2106 Haste Rating
TW = TW haste of 30%
z = Trinc proc haste/2178 Haste Rating

These are only rough numbers but it should help see the difference in order of use/proc
where B = 2106
where TW = 30%
where Z = 2178


*where TW is used before your trinket procs*
your haste will end up like
(TW of B)+B+z giving you BTWz
(30% of 2106)+2106 + 2178
631.8+2106+2178
4915.8 haste rating

Due to diminishing returns on each haste gain, ie:from 1% haste to 2% haste = 26haste rating to get from 2% haste to 3% haste = 28haste rating will mean you may have 4915.8 haste rating however your haste % will only be in the high 80's or low 90s percents

*where TW affects current haste, ie:TW is used after the trinket procs*
your haste will end up like
(B+z)+(TW of BZ)
(2106+21780)+(30% of BZ)
4284+(30% of 4284)
4284+1285.2
5569.2 haste rating

Due to diminishing returns on each haste gain, ie:from 1% haste to 2% haste = 26haste rating to get from 2% haste to 3% haste = 28haste rating will mean you may have 5569.2 haste rating however your haste % will only be in the low90's or high 90s percents

can somone confirm in which instance TW affects us is it based off 30% of base haste or is it 30% of current haste. From my understanding its 30% of current haste therefor you want all procs and buffs up before TW hits to get maximum potential. This also comes down to affecting the Ghoul which receives its stats off current stats during the fight this is why you pot/use CDs before you pop your ghoul in this case if you are orc and the boss is at 30% Hp you would; pot/Blood Fury/Pillar of Frost then Time warp then pop Ghoul/army to get maximum dps.

Hope this helps mate and can someone confirm my bad maths :P

The suggested spec is the normal 2H oblit spec with a glyph change. If you don't plan to regylph back to oblit, then you can drop Rime and Annihilation with no worries.
As for experience on heroic progression Rhyolith? Not a clue!