Frost DPS | 4.2 Against All Odds - Page 35

Tsuyah · 08/08/11, 9:53 AM

You can't upgrade rep items, or most of the valor items (except ranged slot) via the firestones. There is no heroic Essence of the Eternal Flame.

Nelzon · 08/08/11, 12:01 PM

I am still abit confused by the Apparatus maths. To me it do look like it should be higher rated then it actually is. What is it that I am not seeing?c

Dreager_ex · 08/08/11, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by spreizi

I took Titus Pullo´s math for BiS. I have heard that you can upgrade some Items by right-klicking on it with the upgradeshard which drops from HC Bosses (0,5% dropchance). Other Items can upgrade to HC-version at the Vendor.

This is false, I've already gotten a Firestone and no option was available to me by right-clicking the Firestone to upgrade my item.

dkkarma · 08/08/11, 4:47 PM

I was looking at the trinkets on the bis list and i currently have no heroics available so i was wondering which 2 i should use from the list I have. License to Slay, Darkmoon Card: Hurricane, Apparatus of Khoz'Garoth, and Fury of Angerforge are my current trinkets(all are normal). My question is i'm way over hit cap from the gear i have so would not using License to Slay be a big dps loss. Any help would be appreciate on what 2 to use. Thanks.

Syréène · 08/09/11, 6:06 AM

Originally Posted by dkkarma

I was looking at the trinkets on the bis list and i currently have no heroics available so i was wondering which 2 i should use from the list I have. License to Slay, Darkmoon Card: Hurricane, Apparatus of Khoz'Garoth, and Fury of Angerforge are my current trinkets(all are normal). My question is i'm way over hit cap from the gear i have so would not using License to Slay be a big dps loss. Any help would be appreciate on what 2 to use. Thanks.

If you're way over hitcap und only have those few trinkets to chose from I'd probably go with DMC: Hurricane and the Apparatus. If you could get rid of some hit elsewhere then LTS would still be the best choice for you though.
On a sidenote: you can look that up in the OP list easily or run a simulator.

Chummie · 08/09/11, 6:21 AM

Originally Posted by dkkarma

I was looking at the trinkets on the bis list and i currently have no heroics available so i was wondering which 2 i should use from the list I have. License to Slay, Darkmoon Card: Hurricane, Apparatus of Khoz'Garoth, and Fury of Angerforge are my current trinkets(all are normal). My question is i'm way over hit cap from the gear i have so would not using License to Slay be a big dps loss. Any help would be appreciate on what 2 to use. Thanks.

This is a difficult question to answer without having seen your profile or even knowing if you're DW or 2H Frost (seeing as Hit over cap still gives DW some dps gains, while 2H Frost gains nothing from it). On a side note, I wanted to try adding DMC: H to the OP's In-Depth Trinket list. Yes, the proc makes it a little hard to model, but not that hard.

Taking PoF into consideration DMC: H provides a passive 342.4 str. Using DW 378 iLv stat weights this gives 1061.44 dps. Easy part done. Now, regarding the proc. The OP states 3 PPM (estimating 250 dps? Should be 350 dps using the median of 7000), but as shown here:

Originally Posted by Jander

A week or two ago I made a post with evidence suggesting that DMC:Hurricane was undervalued for a 2H Setup.

I was a bit skeptical of trying a DW setup in UH presence. After raiding with it last night, I disliked the free globals but it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought. Of course, I had my trusty DMC equipped on the raid (still no Heart of Rage/Crushing Weight). My data from last night suggests that you have severely undervalued DMC:H for a DW setup.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I didn’t have a great night. I pulled agro off our brand new 346 tank a lot and had some mistakes to boot. Nevertheless I had anywhere from 2.86-5.46 PPM with my DMC:H. In particular the 5.46 PPM encounter renewed my interest in the trinket.

In order to compare the DMC:H to the patchwork style modeling of SimCraft I employed the following methodology.

Over the course of the entire parse from last night (trash + wipes + bosses ie everything) I had 238 procs. I then totaled up the Hits and Crits for FS, OB, White Hits, PS, BS and DS (I had the bright idea of switching my BS bind to DS so I ended up throwing a few BS out). These totaled up to 6,355. Calculating the observe proc percentage and the 95% CI we come up with the following:

Worst Case: 3.2918%
Observed: 3.7451%
Best Case: 4.2415%

Next I used the frequencies from the SimCraft:Parse here:

Frost DPS | Cataclysm 4.0.6, This Is My Life

Theoritically when tunneling attacks you would expect 159.51 Opportunities to proc per minute. Using our percentages from above this calculates to:

5.25 – 5.97 – 6.77 PPM

Using an average proc of 5,900 (the avg from my Cho’Gal attempt. I didn’t want to take the night average because of the dmg mod on Al’Akir) and the stat weights for 359 DW from this guide:

1450-1521-1599 DPS

Compared to the other trinkets in the list:

HoS – 1352
CW – 1408
HoR – 1500
H.CW – 1592
H. HoR – 1696

Using the worst possible proc %, the DMC:H is better than HoS and CW. Using the best it is 2nd BiS.

I believe you are slightly undervaluing the trinket for 2H, but probably not by much. I may run a 2H setup tonight. If I do I will update the post for 2H.

the trinket procs more often than that. So let's say that DMC: H has 3-7 PPM, giving it an estimated dps of 1411-1878. The median of that is 1644 dps, which puts it a little in front of FoA (median 1639 dps).