Blood | DK endgame tanking [4.x] - Page 43

Kregolich · 01/18/12, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Otou

[*]Stoneskin if your EH is being tested. If its possible for you to die before anyone can react, use stoneskin. Also, as mentioned, swordshattering is sub-optimal on yorsahj, because of the large amount of magic damage he does.[/list]

I haven't seen anyone mention Spellshattering on the fights with magic damage - 4% spell reflection is nothing to sneeze at on those fights. What am I missing?

Leisant · 01/18/12, 1:17 PM

Otou, your stam stacking is interesting. I can see the benefit to un-glyphing VB with all of your stam. What sort of numbers are you pulling on Heroic Spine?

Esarael · 01/18/12, 1:26 PM

I used Spellshattering on Yor'sahj H, but I reckon Fallen Crusader might be a (very) good alternative, especially if you're having troubles with DPS.

EDIT: Spellshattering, *not* Stoneskin.

Yörgle · 01/18/12, 2:20 PM

Originally Posted by Kregolich

I haven't seen anyone mention Spellshattering on the fights with magic damage - 4% spell reflection is nothing to sneeze at on those fights. What am I missing?

I use it.

You're not missing anything : on a fight where around 75% damage is magical, it's the best survival choice imo.

Also, instead of flask, using this elixir is great : Prismatic Elixir - Item - World of Warcraft
Prepoting (and "pot-ing") this is very useful also : Magic Resistance Potion - Item - World of Warcraft

Templisk · 01/18/12, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by Yörgle

I use it.

You're not missing anything : on a fight where around 75% damage is magical, it's the best survival choice imo.

Also, instead of flask, using this elixir is great : Prismatic Elixir - Item - World of Warcraft
Prepoting (and "pot-ing") this is very useful also : Magic Resistance Potion - Item - World of Warcraft

The Magic Resistance Potion - Item - World of Warcraft doesn't stack with Resistance Aura - Spell - World of Warcraft or Blessing of Kings - Spell - World of Warcraft / Mark of the Wild - Spell - World of Warcraft.

Prismatic Elixir - Item - World of Warcraft does though, and can be used in conjunction with Elixir of the Master - Item - World of Warcraft to substitute for your flask.

Yörgle · 01/18/12, 3:29 PM

I wasn't aware of that.
When I did my first tries and downs on Yor'Sahj I just had the Elixir. I was just assuming for the potion ! Now that he's in farm, I just don't bother and keep my flask against him.

Thanks for the clarification !

krekot · 01/19/12, 4:51 AM

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Me logs from Warlord HC 10man, could someone check it and tell me how to make it easier? Yes I use a bit to low AMS. We do 7 + 7 + 5 + 5. On first 7 I got Pain Suppression after 6th bounce and on next 7 I use IBF after 5th bounce. We kill him on 20 try. Why I get 7 critical strike from Warlord???
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

rhapso · 01/19/12, 6:12 AM

Originally Posted by krekot

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Me logs from Warlord HC 10man, could someone check it and tell me how to make it easier? Yes I use a bit to low AMS. We do 7 + 7 + 5 + 5. On first 7 I got Pain Suppression after 6th bounce and on next 7 I use IBF after 5th bounce. We kill him on 20 try. Why I get 7 critical strike from Warlord???
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Please try to make a bit more effort with the English language...

About the critical strikes: there is a common bug with our Improved Blood Presence. Try swtiching to Frost/Unholy Presence and back before engaging the boss or try even switching between your dual specs. I didn't experience this bug at all, but those who did could solve this problem by switching specs and/or presences.

I checked your log and you only used AMS once in the whole fight. Try using it more often. The other cooldowns aren't perfectly used but better than AMS. Try using Bone Shield more often - it's 20% DR for more or less 10s which is huge. Another thing is Blood Tap: you can improve your Death Strike usage significantly just by using Blood Tap with a procced rune from RE.

huntcaudata · 01/19/12, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Otou

For epidemic, that point is worth about 1~% of your damage, outshines anything else left.

Crimson Scourge is worth significantly more damage then butchery. I think you're overlooking the fact that you use the blood boil it procs as a filler, and that filler generates runic power. Over the course of a 6 minute fight you would get 144 runic power from 2/2 butchery. Over the course of that same 6 mintues you'd make use of about 12 blood boils, which is 120 runic power. Same amount of runestrikes, but one has no blood boil damage bonus.

Where do you get that 1%? Diseases do ~10% of our damage (based on experience and looking at random high-ranking Ultraxion logs). The last point in epidemic allows them to be up 2 seconds out of every minute that they would not otherwise be up, or 3.3% of 10%, or .33% of our damage. Add to this the improvement you get because you actually only need to cast Outbreak every 33 seconds instead of every 30, which leads to one extra global cooldown every 5.5 minutes, and I don't think you're really close to 1%.

Regarding Crimson Scourge, it looks like simulationcraft doesn't model runic power gains from blood boil, so you're absolutely right - it's better than Butchery.

Jeges · 01/19/12, 9:31 PM

It reduces the damage you take by about 1%, unless someone else is putting up those two debuffs.

krekot · 01/25/12, 6:22 AM

Yesterday I got problem with DRW. I can't summon it on phase 2. I was target Deathwing head. Someone else have this problem too?

Tyvi · 01/25/12, 6:49 AM

Yes, the bug happens to all of us. I think I remember reading a blue post (from EU, even) that the devs are aware of this but they don't consider it a big enough deal to actively go ahead and fix it.

krekot · 01/27/12, 1:40 AM

How you tabk Hagara HC? Tank&Spank or you try to move before each Focused Assault? Could we remove debuff from Icy Lance with AMS?

Padruthor · 01/27/12, 2:22 AM

Originally Posted by krekot

How you tabk Hagara HC? Tank&Spank or you try to move before each Focused Assault? Could we remove debuff from Icy Lance with AMS?

You can prevent the application of Ice Lance with AMS - a good idea would be to glyph AMS for that encounter to be able to neglect one additional stack from applying. That also means: If you're the target of the Ice lance, you don't need to have somebody else to step into the beam.

Focused Assault is easily solved with a Deathstrike or a minor cooldown. I'd save runes for that though. That applies to 10 man Heroic, won't probably work on 25 man.

Yörgle · 01/27/12, 3:19 AM

Originally Posted by krekot

How you tabk Hagara HC? Tank&Spank or you try to move before each Focused Assault? Could we remove debuff from Icy Lance with AMS?

As said above, AMS is really useful on this encounter. What I suggest, is waiting to have several stacks and then use AMS.

Usually, if the Focused Assault is near, I save all my FU runes, when my HP are around 60-80% I used a first DS, and again when they drop again. We (DKs) are incredibly effecient on this encounter as our Mastery fits very well with the FA. As the other physical damage are really not that hard, I usually use SSG rune rather than SS rune. It's a quick trip to Acherus and it gives a nice EH up !

And obviously, a DK Blood you should be in the "lightnings" team (I call it like that in french, you get the idea ^^). With our DR, Rune Tap (perhaps glyphed to slightly heal your partner), AMS and the Tol Barad Trinket, we are quite efficient for overloading the pillars without taking to much damage.
If I'm not in danger because of the Ice Lance (during the normal phase before a storm phase), I save my AMS for that.

Also, it's worth noting that DSim works on her Shattered Ice - Spell - World of Warcraft if you want some extra DPS (quite useful to deal some damage to the ice blocks ^^).