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Old 04/24/12, 12:00 PM   #556
Crovax
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Kazzak (EU)
It all comes down to how good the procs are and how many fading lights you get.

I did the #22 parse on Ultra H25 with low haste (1400 give or take) and 2380 mastery. Had only 1 heroic SC with that kill though.

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Old 04/24/12, 2:39 PM   #557
Ripebear1
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Shadowsong (EU)
Originally Posted by djxak View Post
What are you trying to max? DPS on Ultraxion? For what?
If yes then haste build with proc weapons (Nokaled or Souldrinker) can do little more dps on ultraxion.
But on most endgame bosses DPS in mastery-centric build is better. Burst DPS in mastery is better (tendons). AOE dps (even on 2 targets like on Blackhorn) in mastery is better. And last boss in mastery is better because we have 20% more haste almost all fight.
I think for the moment the guild will only struggle on Spine/Madness. They got kill last night to get 8/8.

I am trying Masterfrost but it just seems hard to perfect, so many things to watch and you do 1 mistake your dps shoots down. But yeah it seems just about every fight has AoE or long range dps (HB Been good for it).

So you reckon even on single target that Masterfrost pulls ahead? I can't seem to get it down.


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Old 04/24/12, 3:44 PM   #558
djxak
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Гордунни (EU)
Originally Posted by Ripebear1 View Post
it just seems hard to perfect, so many things to watch and you do 1 mistake your dps shoots down.
It is only 1st, maybe 2nd raid. Then you will dps with right priority and watch tv at the same time.
My fingers pressing right buttons without any brain activity.

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Old 04/24/12, 4:01 PM   #559
Ripebear1
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Shadowsong (EU)
Question:

If I go Frost normal spec/priority how much haste should I shoot for?

Reason I ask is, when I check WoL a lot of DK are going for 2100-2200 and stacking rest on Mastery.

Or should I be going full out haste? I can get around 2540 haste with 1200 Mastery, or 2150 haste with 1650 Mastery (ish)

What do you think I should go for if I stick with Hastefrost. Sims will always say haste but from WoL it looks otherwise.

If on a single target fight (Ultraxion) these DK's are hitting the highest possible DPS on Frost with said setup, it will prove better on AoE fights also so I don't see why stacking haste would be better.

Opinion?

Last edited by Ripebear1 : 04/24/12 at 4:32 PM.


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Old 04/24/12, 11:50 PM   #560
Thalastor
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Lightbringer
Those numbers aren't deliberate targets. They're just the values you end up with in BiS gear.

Take someone like Ibanel @ Lightbringer - Game Guide - World of Warcraft as an example. He/she isn't shooting for those mastery/haste values, that's just what you end up at with exp/hit cap and a full haste reforge in that gear,

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Old 04/27/12, 9:44 AM   #561
Ripebear1
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Shadowsong (EU)
Right now I'm sitting at 2523 Haste on Hastefrost spec. But I'm still running into problems with dry patches.

It's pushing me to change to unholy. Just practicing on a dummy, I can't get a single round of 6 million damage where I'm not hitting 2-3 dry patches and having nothing to do for a 2-3 seconds while waiting on all my runes.

If I'm following priority correctly what am I doing wrong?

Is there something fundamental I'm missing? I try to make sure I don't have 2 runes sitting capped at any time etc but still run into these.

Does everyone get this problem?


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Old 04/27/12, 9:03 PM   #562
djxak
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Гордунни (EU)
Sometimes stars aligns and sometimes not. There are always been situations where you are starved with resources. When I played in haste (now I playing full mastery/1750haste), I dynamically changing my "roration" to HB spam (more RP -> more FS -> more runes from RE) if I feeling starved and changing back to Obli when feeling that I became gcd-capped again. Generally there is almost masterfrost priority. In "classic" priority for hastefrost you just wait for recources and hit obli again even if it means that you will wait again.

For me there is no difference betwen masterfrost and hastefrost priority. All the difference is how many haste I have and how many procs of RE and Rime. More haste = more Obli, less HB and vice versa. Maybe that is not right.. but I am always got to wol tops with my priority.

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Old 05/03/12, 11:47 AM   #563
zephie
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Moon Guard
Been following this guy/gal for quite a while now and i must say i am quite impressed with his logs/playstyle.

(Armory) Softspot @ Silvermoon - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

(Logs) WoW Heroes - World of Warcraft PvE character info & ratings

He seems to be playing masterfrost as well although his DPS seems to be abnormally high comparing to others. Might be wrong.

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Old 05/03/12, 1:53 PM   #564
HellHamsterr
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Human Death Knight
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Judging from his logs he isn't playing the usual masterfrost priority or else his HB damage would be way higher. In fact, he plays a more Obliterate oriented playstyle, which over 85% are crits. His Frost Strike crit % is way lower, which suggests he uses Killing Machine mainly on Obliterate and uses Frost Strikes to proc runic empowerment as soon as a rune set goes on cd. Also, he is specced to Epidemic instead of Imp. Blood Tap, which makes it even harder, seeing his haste.

He seems to be having insanely good RNG with Freezing Fog and Killing Machine procs and I think that about explains it. Too bad you can't see runic empowerment procs on WOL, however he can only have awesome RNG on that as well.

For example on his Ultraxion 10 heroic rank he had 70% Freezing Fog proc rate per Obliterate and 17.5 Killing Machine procs per minute, while for example myself on the same fight with much higher haste (assuming his haste remained around the same of what his armory says) I had 45% Freezing Fog proc rate per Obliterate and 15 Killing Machine ppm.

So all in all, a godlike player with excellent gear and excellent RNG.

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Old 05/03/12, 2:12 PM   #565
zephie
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Moon Guard
I am 99% sure he went masterfrost a week ago so that ultraxion log probably involves a lot more haste. Not 100% sure though.

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Old 05/05/12, 12:40 PM   #566
Wuwho
Glass Joe
 
Troll Death Knight
 
Spirestone
Originally Posted by zephie View Post
Been following this guy/gal for quite a while now and i must say i am quite impressed with his logs/playstyle.

(Armory) Softspot @ Silvermoon - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

(Logs) WoW Heroes - World of Warcraft PvE character info & ratings

He seems to be playing masterfrost as well although his DPS seems to be abnormally high comparing to others. Might be wrong.
I must admit this player's parses are fantastic and most likely the player is also, however not as slam against the player but if you closely inspect his/her dps numbers through some of the parses you will see why the dps is higher. I believe some of the parses have been generated with the help of the strategy and make-up of the group. For instance on Heroic Morchok, he/she does not get out of the black goo which will increase dps(e). Furthermore there is no rogue in the group, so fights like Blackhorn and Zonozz will allow this player to cleave more with HB and get more damage output for the same amount of attacks.

In regards to whether the player is MF or HF. I'm assuming you are referring to the parse from 3/23 not 5/3. On the 3/23 parse, its a bit tricky however I would have to lean toward HF or a hybrid build that allows for more haste. I say this because I compared that parse to one of my own that had similar fight lengths and that player had more melee attacks go out that landed and missed.

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Old 05/07/12, 7:17 AM   #567
djxak
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Гордунни (EU)
Originally Posted by Wuwho View Post
For instance on Heroic Morchok, he/she does not get out of the black goo which will increase dps(e).
All DKs do this. On 3-4 stacks use AMS and it absorbs next damage and prevent aplly new stacks. You finish with new 4 stacks (after AMS ends) and 50% hp. It is all without external heal. So, what reason to move away from goo?

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Old 05/11/12, 12:06 PM   #568
Wuwho
Glass Joe
 
Troll Death Knight
 
Spirestone
I never said there was anything wrong with it. It was more of a comment about strategy and how that can change someone's dps. If you take a look at the sentence prior to your quotation along with the quoted sentence, you can see that it was in example of the situation.

Originally Posted by Wuwho View Post
I believe some of the parses have been generated with the help of the strategy and make-up of the group. For instance on Heroic Morchok, he/she does not get out of the black goo which will increase dps(e).
By the way, not all DK's stand in the goo. Personally, I have a 102 parse on H Morchok from actually standing out, however I also have an unfortunate miss-logged parse that was at least 8% higher from standing in. Once again, an example of how strategy can increase your numbers.

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Old 05/11/12, 5:07 PM   #569
Kapaya
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Orc Death Knight
 
Outland (EU)
BiS Weapons For HasteFrost

Hello im abit unsure with is BiS weapon for frost dk [Souldrinker] or No'Kaled, the Elements of Death{hc]
Because one of my guildmate told me it was Nokaled.Thx for the help

Last edited by Kapaya : 05/11/12 at 5:15 PM.

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Old 05/11/12, 5:58 PM   #570
gharnef
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Death Knight
 
<TM>
Zul'Jin
Originally Posted by Kapaya View Post
Hello im abit unsure with is BiS weapon for frost dk [Souldrinker] or No'Kaled, the Elements of Death{hc]
Because one of my guildmate told me it was Nokaled.Thx for the help
If you're an orc, No'Kaled is the clear winner on pure single target hastefrost. If you aren't orc it's a bit closer, but in pure single target it's still the winner. The problem arises in masterfrost and AoE since while mastery does scale with 1/3 of the proc, it loses you a large chunk of strength which means that your howling blasts won't do as much. So you mostly you're going to have to base it on the fight.

For any fight without any major AoE, No'kaled is the clear winner (Morchok, Zon'ozz, Ultrax), but for fights where you'll be getting a huge boost in your dps from AoE or missing lots of melee swings due to movement (Zon'ozz, Hagara, Blackhorn, Madness) Souldrinker will be better due to stronger HBs. Spine is somewhat of a wash since SD's proc will help against the debuff a little bit and I'm not sure how their procs work (ICD / pure % ?) in relation to tendon DPS, but No'kaled's proc is very relevant if it were to proc on a tendon.

That's the long answer.

The simple answer is No'kaled.

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