Frost DPS | Winter of Discontent [4.3] - Page 39

Crovax · 05/12/12, 8:00 AM

In my case as Orc, H HoM x2 is better than H SD x2 for MasterFrost. Just do a SimCraft check to be sure.

daltonj2012 · 05/16/12, 10:55 AM

I know this it is already late in the patch and expansion, but I've recently been really wondering about trinket BiS for DW HasteFrost. I currently have heroic Bone-Link, Heroic Creche, and reg Eye (I'm only 6/8 Heroic atm due to just server transferring off my awful progressed realm two weeka ago).. My gear has been getting a lot of changes lately because of new fights, and I was thinking about trinkets a lot lately. it says Creche is better, but I'm just wondeirng if it really is? is that Crit better than the occasionally extra hit from Bone-Link.

Iysdexia · 05/23/12, 5:26 PM

As someone consistently ranking in the top five on most of the fights on 10man, I can confirm that a lot of the top parses are aided by group make-up and how your group does the fight (or in other words spoon feeding extra dps to the person trying to rank).

HellHamsterr · 05/28/12, 4:50 AM

I'm using [Souldrinker] with Razor Ice for mainhand and [No'Kaled, the Elements of Death] with Fallen Crusader for offhand as masterfrost, and lately I've been using a second [Souldrinker] as offhand with Cinderglacier, swapping it from [No'Kaled, the Elements of Death] whenever Fallen Crusader is up, and popping the other one back to get a new Fallen Crusader.

Apart from wasting one GCD to swap offhands and maybe a minor decrease in Fallen Crusader uptime, I don't see anything negative about weapon swapping especially when on low resources, but my problem is that I can't sim this properly. Has anyone tried to sim this to see how big of a dps increase (or decrease) it can lead to?

I'll get some logs on Wednesday for comparison.

Titus Pullo · 05/29/12, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by HellHamsterr

I'm using [Souldrinker] with Razor Ice for mainhand and [No'Kaled, the Elements of Death] with Fallen Crusader for offhand as masterfrost, and lately I've been using a second [Souldrinker] as offhand with Cinderglacier, swapping it from [No'Kaled, the Elements of Death] whenever Fallen Crusader is up, and popping the other one back to get a new Fallen Crusader.

Apart from wasting one GCD to swap offhands and maybe a minor decrease in Fallen Crusader uptime, I don't see anything negative about weapon swapping especially when on low resources, but my problem is that I can't sim this properly. Has anyone tried to sim this to see how big of a dps increase (or decrease) it can lead to?

I'll get some logs on Wednesday for comparison.

You might also consider looking at swapping out the mainhand with Razor Ice for the one with Cinderglacier once you get five stacks of Frost Vulnerability debuff up and switching it back as needed to keep up the debuff. I think that would be more damage than swapping out the offhand and losing Fallen Crusader chances.

HellHamsterr · 05/30/12, 4:14 AM

So I tested both on a dummy before raiding and I concluded at least for myself that Cinderglacier weapon swapping isn't worth it.

Razor Ice main hand swapping required 2 GCDs every 18-19 seconds which is way too much, while Fallen Crusader uptime by offhand swapping seemed to be even lower than I figured. Even when used optimally, like for example only swapping offhand with Fallen Crusader up and on very low resources that makes me wait at least 1 GCD so it's making a swap supposedly worth it, both were always at least 10% damage less than not swapping (300 second test).

Now I know this may change during long aoe scenarios where you dont need to use every single GCD on howling blast asap so you can Cinderglacier with Fallen Crusader up, but even then you probably lose FC uptime and dps.

Lordkirigi · 06/13/12, 1:45 PM

From the OP:

"Obliterate has been reduced from 160% to 150% base weapon damage (Hotfix 5/19/11)
Frost Strike now deals 130% weapon damage plus 277, up from 110% weapon damage plus 305."

Those numbers dont seem to be correct, because in game tooltips show vastly different numbers.

twogurusindrag · 06/17/12, 5:43 PM

The talent specs no longer link to proper pages- they are all blank.

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