Unholy DPS | My Friend of Misery [4.3.0] - Page 17

croana · 12/28/11, 8:12 AM

I would actually suggest sacrificing your pet just before it dies on the lightning phase as a bonus heal. I'm generally under 50% health at that point anyway. You can instantly resummon, and since the boss isn't targetable until about 10 seconds later, there's no dps loss and you're helping your healers out.

Minoan · 12/28/11, 9:23 PM

Originally Posted by croana

I would actually suggest sacrificing your pet just before it dies on the lightning phase as a bonus heal. I'm generally under 50% health at that point anyway. You can instantly resummon, and since the boss isn't targetable until about 10 seconds later, there's no dps loss and you're helping your healers out.

^ Nope

You can switch your pet to hit the boss and DC him under AMS. Why? Because
a) Pet receives 0 damage while hitting the boss.
b)You will DT him instantly after the lightning phace bubble falls down, enabling you to use DT burst from the first second and even applying you to summon Gargolye instantly
I'm always put 2 pieces of t12 on for the lightning phace on that battle.

Taiyoken · 12/29/11, 12:11 AM

Or you can sac your pet, summon a new one and then DC spam him.

gharnef · 12/29/11, 12:46 AM

The latest you would want to sac the pet would be only a few seconds after the add dies since you would need time to dc 5 times for DT and then get enough for gargoyle. That said, if you really need to death pact to save your healers some trouble, since you're going to be standing still for quite a bit of this phase anyway, go ahead and pop army and sac one of those ghouls - you take less damage for a few seconds, get army ghouls for the burst phase and get to DP without losing DT stacks.

Taiyoken · 12/29/11, 3:28 AM

I found whacking the boss a bit to get some procs rolling and then using Gargoyle is a lot better than just popping it right away. It'll take you like 3-4 sec and you get a much stronger Gargoyle rather than a weak one that only gets 1-2 more double damage hits.

Also for the Hagara thing, you can also tell your pet to Huddle.

Minoan · 12/29/11, 8:38 AM

I don't know why you sac pet instead of keeping him on 5DC to DT him exactly on x2 damage phase, I'm not really sure if it is possible to make 5 coils in 7 seconds of chain phace to prepare him again, but I'm talking about Normal.
Also, one pages ago I wrote that Gargolye cannot damage Burning Tendons-I was wrong, it damages, however it's useless, better recall her against elemental without unholy rampage(or with, if your raid amazingly bursts it)
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Liaka · 12/30/11, 1:40 AM

Where is the update about having Gurthalak being Haste > Mastery > Crit?

Matron Heartless · 12/30/11, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Liaka

Where is the update about having Gurthalak being Haste > Mastery > Crit?

Apologies, I got mired in the holidays (and the lovely germs that come with it). I'll make an updated note in the OP.

ZelosRaine · 12/30/11, 10:25 PM

Gurthalak is very pro. Very noticeable dps increase. More importantly, I feel it matches burst dps needs well in that Unholy Frenzy/Lust greatly increase the chance of a proc (or multiple!). I also agree with the previous poster who noted that keeping 5 stacks for a DT after phase change on Hagara was easy and a notable dps increase.

However, I am still(!!!!!) having problems with Madness when jumping over mutliple platforms. On our latest kill, I tried manually dismissing the pet while jumping from Alextrazsa's platform to Norzdormu's in order to have a fresh summon on Kalecgos'. However, after summoning on Kalecgos' platform, my pet either died or despawned immediately. Needless to say, I was more than unhappy (we still, fortunately, one shot it). Any other ideas on this problem? The only solution seems to be stutter stepping on each platform.

Liaka · 12/31/11, 2:46 PM

Currently the Tentacle of the old ones from [Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps] and I'm assuming all versions isn't inheriting the extra 50% crit modifier from Runic Focus.

As a reminder this is what Runic Focus does:

Runic Focus Passive
Unlike most casters, a Death Knight's spells cause double damage on critical hits and their chance to hit is increased by 9%. Spells are all Death Knight abilities that are not direct weapon strikes.

I learned that our ghoul and gargoyle do already inherit the 200% critical modifier from Runic Focus.

Gargoyle is benefiting from 200% critical bonus: Gargoyle Log Here

The average damage between critical strikes and non-critical strikes is very similar on average to 200%

Ghoul is benefiting from 200% critical bonus: Ghoul Log here

The average damage between critical strikes and non-critical strikes is very similar on average to 200%

Tentacle of the old ones is NOT benefiting from 200% critical bonus: Tentacle Log Here

The average damage between critical strikes and non-critical strikes is very similar on average to 150%

If my simple math is indeed correct, I'd like some help bumping the issue on the official forums here: [BUG] Gurthalak not getting proper DK crit - Forums - World of Warcraft

Anathem · 12/31/11, 3:05 PM

Just ran the latest SimulationCraft configured specifically for Heroic Ultraxion.

I have Gurthalak and the sim is valuing crit highly above haste. Am I doing this wrong? Default settings except for the overrides shown.

I'm currently reforged haste > mastery > crit: Mitsuro @ Blackrock - Game - World of Warcraft

Liaka · 12/31/11, 8:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anathem

Just ran the latest SimulationCraft configured specifically for Heroic Ultraxion.

I have Gurthalak and the sim is valuing crit highly above haste. Am I doing this wrong? Default settings except for the overrides shown.

I'm currently reforged haste > mastery > crit: Mitsuro @ Blackrock - Game - World of Warcraft

Did you delete DnD from the sim for it? Did you put in that you would use AMS on cooldown essentially to gain full RP?

The sim also under-values the tentacles. The sim can't have more than 1 tentacle up at any moment when we all know that sometimes randomly you get 2 or 3 that spawn together.

Zimeron · 12/31/11, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Liaka

The sim also under-values the tentacles. The sim can't have more than 1 tentacle up at any moment when we all know that sometimes randomly you get 2 or 3 that spawn together.

This has been fixed in SVN, so depending on what version the OP is using, this may not be true.

Obliterus · 01/02/12, 8:48 AM

Crit Vs Haste

The stat weights are heavily dependant on what gear you currently possess, from experience Crit was being valued higher then Haste at lower gear levels. I found this changed the more powerful the gear became, for this reason Haste will always overvalue Crit.

Gurthalak

Sims suggest that [Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps] is not correctly being represented, this has been said many times. If you take into account the work done by Shrakz on his blog [Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps] and [Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps] will in most cases always be a DPS increase, however from personal experience [Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps] WILL NOT produce more DPS then a FL Heroic weapon, especially [Sulfuras, The Extinguished Hand]. It is also noteworthy to mention that Mastery becomes more valuable with Gurthalak as it increases the damage of the proc thus empowering our 4PT13, however this will in no way challenge the current dominance of Haste.

Necrotic Strike on Zon'ozz

Recently I was told by RL to NS (H) Zon'ozz as we didn't have any healing reduction due to people being on vacation for the new year! Now I am okay with this, yet I wanted to know if there is anyone who knows if this is a DPS increase. I was racking a pretty huge healing absorb on Zon'ozz after the first transition and noticed he would Psychic Drain for zero healing most of the time and Necrotic Strike was consumed every single time.

Dragonlore · 01/02/12, 9:59 AM

Here is my question:

Rawr is now fully working for DPS Death Knights, both Frost and Unholy. I was wondering if people are using this and if is reliable like it is for mages. I know that the theory should be sound, but it is suggesting that i reforge to some Expertise. Now before you all say "you shouldn't do that" the numbers come out and it is an increase in DPS according to Rawr as there would be an only slight drop in DPS from other skills but a larger DPS gain from melee attacks, Scourge Strike and Festering Strike which is more than what is lost from the others.

I was wondering if someone can clarify if rawr should be used for Unholy DKs. preferably someone in the know and not some random who thinks that you shouldn't sue it.