Unholy DPS | My Friend of Misery [4.3.0] - Page 2

direddyre · 08/21/11, 6:36 PM

You added a 10 somewhere, those numbers add up to 53.5%, resulting in roughly ~0.97% for mastery.

Now, that damage does not include the pet, so you can't compare that to a number you derived from calculating with a pet (your crit number). You are right in that mastery does seem to be better, but not by quite that much, if we assume some raid buffed crit of 10% then that's ~0.91% for crit. Worse than mastery, but not exactly worthless.

Anyway, my "question", if you will, has been answered, the defining mistake was obviously counting crit for pets.

orchanna · 08/25/11, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Bobfred21

Well, what I'm suggesting is pool RP and then burn it on the ghoul pre-pull to build stacks and start the fight with a fully charged DT. You could probably begin pooling again if you like but really the idea is just to get DT at the start so it lines up with potion, and unholy frenzy best, without sacrificing up time on Unholy frenzy or garg.

I recently tried start encounter with DT up, but i got 3 stacks at max of Shadow Infusion. I put glyph that should give me back some RP, but is'nt working. Im getting RP before start encounter using Horn of Winter and DnD, this is right or im doing anything wrong?

Ps.: please anyone could clarify my other post in this thread about trinkets?

Bobfred21 · 08/25/11, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by orchanna

I recently tried start encounter with DT up, but i got 3 stacks at max of Shadow Infusion. I put glyph that should give me back some RP, but is'nt working. Im getting RP before start encounter using Horn of Winter and DnD, this is right or im doing anything wrong?

Ps.: please anyone could clarify my other post in this thread about trinkets?

At the time I posted that I didn't realize the glyph was broken. It's not working right now. My advice: Stagger your death coils while continuing to build runic power. Just make sure the Buff doesn't fall off your ghoul.

If you can save up some RP on trash. Also, certain fights might have areas that let you build RP before hand with AMS.

I haven't tried it yet, but I know going behind Rag causes you to take damage: my feeling is you can probably soak that damage for a quick RP cap.

Brozooka · 08/25/11, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by orchanna

I recently tried start encounter with DT up, but i got 3 stacks at max of Shadow Infusion. I put glyph that should give me back some RP, but is'nt working. Im getting RP before start encounter using Horn of Winter and DnD, this is right or im doing anything wrong?

Ps.: please anyone could clarify my other post in this thread about trinkets?

The glyph works but overhealing no longer refunds rp it seems. Try summoning your pet without gear on then reequipped your gear and heal it up.

Setras · 09/02/11, 6:51 PM

Not sure if anyone else has been noticing this, but the last few days I seem to have seen an increase in Sudden Doom procs, to the point where Death Coil is taking my No1 Spot on damage done on fights, above the split SS components.

Not sure if this is just me having a lucky streak, but it does seem to be the case.

boo-boo · 09/08/11, 8:39 PM

Here are a few tips from my experience. I didn't include anything that was already stated in the main article or other comments.

Anti-Magic Zone:
AMZ is the best utility an Unholy DK brings to a raid, and is alone a good enough reason not spec Frost. When used correctly, this will be your raid's strongest defensive CD. Do not be fooled by the tooltip to think it will only absorb the stated amount of damage. In reality, it will first absorb 75% of the next magical attack, and only THEN, if the amount absorbed exceeded the stated amount, it will vanish. Therefore, it works best when soaking single high-dmg attacks, and fails miserably soaking multiple low-dmg attacks. For example, total damage absorbed by an AMZ covering 25 raid members can easily exceed 1,000,000 (vs Majordomo's Flame Scythe, Rhyolith's Concussive Stomp). Fortunately, there are many useful chances to use it in Firelands, when timed correctly. Some were already mentioned, and others will be mentioned below. Precise timing is an issue when other low dmg magic attacks risk breaking the AMZ before the big dmg hits. Note also that dmg taken from a shaman's "Spirit Link Totem" is absorbed by the AMZ and can break it, and so the two should not be used together. Personally, i keep Blood Tap ready for fights requiring precise timing for AMZ. It's worth it. Also, try to use AMS separately from AMZ, for maximum total dmg reduction.

Lord Rhyolith:
- It is impossible to jump in order to avoid Concussive Stomp. Random resists are most likely the cause for this misconception.
- AMS is best used on every other stomp.
- Use AMZ on stomps when AMS is on CD, but not too close to phase 2.
- In phase 2, especially on HC, have your raid stack and cast AMZ to soak one of the Stomps. Other magic attacks can break AMZ here, cast it just before the Stomp cast finishes.
- in phase 2, use AMZ, AMS and IBF on separate Stomps, for maximum dmg reduction.

Alysrazor:
- in Vortex phase, if you are confident in your abilities, use AMS and touch a tornado to start the nuke phase with full RP.
- use AMZ to soak the strong Full Power ability at the end of the grounded phase. As soon as the Alysrazor reaches 100 energy, pop AMZ – precise timing is needed.
- use Unholy Frenzy on one of the tanks. Tank dmg done will increase far more than yours ever will, due to the 1000% buff. Best time to cast would be when tank has full Vengence, probably around 20 secs after the Hatchlings spawn. Another possible target for your UF is a flying melee/hunter.
- if you wiped, have the raid stack before the pull and pop AMZ right at the start, before the knockback, to negate some incoming dmg.
- use your ghoul's Gnaw, or (if tranformed) Leap for extra interupts, when needed.

Majordomo Staghelm:
- (possibly inaccurate and will be tested further. see following comment) Manually bring your ghoul to the front of the boss to share Flame Scythe dmg if your healers are having problems. On HC, if your tank is attempting to soak a Scythe alone and is having trouble, send your ghoul to help him reduce the damage by half, and re-summon it.

Ragnaros:
- Keep an eye on your ghoul, and make sure he always attacks the boss from behind. Movement in transition phases can result in him attacking from the front.
- In phase 2, use AMS just before Molten Seeds are cast, their initial dmg is much more dangerous than the dmg they cause when they burst.
- in transition phases, use your ghoul's Gnaw ability to stun your target. This ability is often overlooked and is extremely helpful here. If you're having trouble using it, try disabling your ghoul Claw auto-cast when the transition phase begins, and enabling it back after a successful Gnaw. Useful macro commands:
/petautocasttoggle claw
/petautocaston claw
/petautocastoff claw
- aim to stack 5 Shadow Infusion charges on your ghoul just before a transition phase, and transform it right before your assigned add becomes active. The extra burst damage, longer Gnaw duration, and Leap being turned into a charge+stun ability are all extremely beneficial.
- In the last phase, there are no more magical attacks for AMS to soak. Feel free to step into the lava or into Engulfing Flames to charge up on RP.
- In the last phase, while kiting a Meteor, remember that your diseases are still ticking and your ghoul is still swinging. This means that roughly a third of your dmg is still being dealt while kiting, making you a preferred kiter in your group. Hold on as long as you can, don’t let dps meters get the better of you.

Jepson · 09/09/11, 3:28 AM

Originally Posted by boo-boo

Majordomo Staghelm:
- Manually bring your ghoul to the front of the boss to share Flame Scythe dmg if your healers are having problems. On HC, if your tank is attempting to soak a Scythe alone and is having trouble, send your ghoul to help him reduce the damage by half, and re-summon it.

Our guild tested this a while back. Ghouls and other pets do take damage from the Scythe, but pets taking damage doesn't reduce the Scythe damage to players. We had at least 6 pets stacking in the raid for first Scythe and then sent them away for the second one. I think the damage we got was about 90k per person for both of them and if pets would've mattered, the second one should've been at least 110k per person.

Of course it's still possible that replacing players with pets in front of the boss works so that you can have e.g. 4 melees behind the boss and 4 pets in front of him and rest of the raid takes same damage than they would if all players were in front of him.

izzorts · 09/10/11, 3:54 AM

hand of ragnoros can be stealed with dark sim on ragnaros.
blazing heat from scions can be immuned if u use ams before the 3 sec timer runs out

Taiyoken · 09/10/11, 7:59 PM

Shannox: If an Immolation Trap is beside melee, you can use discretion to AMS + run over the trap for some RP (either if Hurl Spear just passed or if you are standing too far for the spear to do damage to you anyway.

Shannox is Taunt-immune, so spamming Dark Command/Death Grip can give you a higher proc rate on Rune of the Fallen Crusader

Lord Rhyolith: The legs are also Taunt-immune so you can get more RotFC uptime.

Lord Rhyolith: If a Spark of Rhyolith is ever near the feet, put up diseases on the Spark and pestilence them on to the feet, the reasoning is because the disease damage is amplified from the Spark's stacks.

Beth'tilac (H): When a Cinderweb Drone fixates someone, you can get off a Taunt/DG (although I would save DG to pull down a Spinner) to prolong your RotFC stacks (very minimal, but it's still there)

Ragnaros: Taunt will push the meteor back, so if your ranged doesn't push it back in time you can use Dark Command in order to save Runes/RP to damage Rag.

Pintofbrew · 09/12/11, 5:25 AM

While taunt spam will net you more 3% heals from FC, the Str buff is on a ICD, so I doubt you're gaining anything with the taunts.

How much does a stolen Hand of Ragnaros deal?

Otou · 09/12/11, 6:25 AM

Originally Posted by Pintofbrew

How much does a stolen Hand of Ragnaros deal?

Spell details for Hand of Ragnaros

It's about 45k on heroic 25, and I think it was 34k on normal 25. Crits ignore runic focus and do 150% normal damage. Definitely worthwhile to steal every chance you get. Also, if you get lucky with the timing of the phase change, you can use it to knock back the sons of flame.

izzorts · 09/14/11, 3:18 AM

ive had a 70k crit on hand of rag on 25 man hc mode
And u will be immune to the buff that spawns the fire from scions if u use ams within the 3 seconds u have before the actual debuff will be applied if u use your ams there

boo-boo · 09/14/11, 1:23 PM

I have tested proccing of Rune of the Fallen Crusader by Dark Command, and this is what i found: RotFC can proc only if the target is NOT immune to taunt, and the 3 sec Dark Command debuff is successfully applied to the target. so using it on Shannox, for example, will not be beneficial at all.
it is possible, however, to focus a Critter before a fight starts, and spam a "/cast [@focus] Dark Command" macro throughout the fight, while keeping your ghoul occupied so that he doesnt kill the critter. of course, the effort put into this will not be worth the unnoticeable results.

as for Pintofbrew's comment - RotFC has no internal CD, and the buff Unholy Strength can theoretically hold indefinitely.

i would like to ask a question of my own now:
considering our Diseases' damage over time is affected by our Attack Power at the moment of application, is it a dps gain to start a fight with Icy Touch + Plague Strike, and later on to re-apply diseases with some procs, such as RotFC, str potion, trinkets and engineers' Synapse Springs? keep in mind that our diseases tick for more than 60 secs, courtasy of Festering Strike, and that FS itself only extends the duration of the diseases, keeping their original tick dmg. new tick dmg will be determined only by using Outbreak or Icy Touch & Plague Strike.
please backup your opinion with either math or simulation results

Illundai · 09/15/11, 5:56 PM

I'd like to reiterate that heroic Vessel of Acceleration will in no way be BiS for Unholy. The trinket's uptime is absolutely atrocious in many cases the buff drops off without even stacking to two. I have one because I was playing Frost but since we got three Sulfuras on our kill yesterday I decided to try Unholy.

Pass for your Warrior, Ret Paladin and Frost DK brethen on Vessel. Our BiS will remain HoR and CW.

optional22 · 09/23/11, 7:15 AM

Ragnaros, any phase:
If you know no magic damage is coming for some reason, or just really need it, you can AMS and jump into magma for a tick for a full RP bar.

Ragnaros, P1:
While it's definitely true you can DS twice during P1 (and you should), if you find your raid DPS to be rather high in P1, you can actually save the Hand of Ragnaros for the upcoming Sons transition. It will knock back all Sons in the area - a useful extra. Raid DPS has to be pretty high during P1 - I found that if I can get the second DS when Ragnaros is at 71% (in heroic), then I can cast Hand of Ragnaros on the Sons. Otherwise, DS will reset. Test it for yourself.

Ragnaros Sons transition phases:
Although magic damage goes out during each Sons phase, you will want to save your AMS for Molten Seeds (P2), which comes immediately after the first Sons phase. Feel free to pre-emptively hit AMS during the final Sons transition to avoid the raid-wide Lava Bolt damage (and get a nice damage boost).

Ragnaros, P3:
Ideally, you won't take damage in this phase at all. If you are, you're doing it wrong. If you notice yourself getting out of Engulfing Flame late, you can pre-emptively pop AMS and prevent damage from being taken. You can also jump in the Scorched Ground (fire on the ground after Lava Waves) for some easy RP. Getting hit by a Lava Wave intentionally is a bad idea. It may knock you over the edge or away from melee range.

For Ragnaros P4:
You will likely be focused on killing it and being done with the fight. In this case, save AMS for when you need to get out of Breath of Frost for whatever reason (kiting meteor, Breath of Frost blows up, etc). Don't forget to IBF here as it can save your life. Try to save whatever CDs you have up for killing meteors and/or when Ragnaros gets rooted in place.

If you're going the dangerous route, if you need RP, jump out of the Breath of Frost, let yourself build up a few stacks of Superheated and then AMS for a ton of RP. Dreadflames are a viable alternative if you're impatient. This is, of course, very dangerous considering you might need that AMS very soon.

I'm glad I finally get to contribute to the T12 raid mechanics section!