Unholy DPS | My Friend of Misery [4.3.0] - Page 27

boo-boo · 03/01/12, 6:36 PM

vs Madness HC:
Does anyone know exactly which abilities do and do not have a chance to proc Spellweave? I'm not looking for guesses, estimates, or anything that isn't 100% accurate.

Edit:
I could not find any useful information about Spellweave and the abilities that can proc it, death knight's or otherwise. So I did some testing in LFR. I used one or two abilities only on each wave of Regenerative Blood or Elementium Fragment, and checked logs after the fight. I did this several times, repeating inconclusive results.

I was only able to test which abilities have a chance to proc Spellweave, I could not measure the chance itself. Wowhead states the chance is 35%, but from my results it is clear that it is much lower. It is also likely that different abilities have a different proc chance.

The results are encouraging and somewhat easy to remember - almost everything we cast has a chance to proc Spellweave. Specifically, the following abilities can proc Spellweave: normal melee hits, Diseases ticks, Blood Boil, Death Coil, Unholy Blight ticks, Scourge Strike, Festering Strike (assumption only, forgot to test this one), Icy Touch, Plague Strike.

Those who are considering to go Frost would be interested to know that Howling Blast can proc Spellweave from its main target as well as secondary targets. I was unable to get a satisfying result regarding Frost Strike.

The abilities which do not proc Spellweave are: Death and Decay (this is abundantly clear from Log3), Ghoul attacks and Claw, Gargoyle shots, and Gurthalak tentacle attacks.

These results are not likely to change your rotation vs Madness by much, if any. But at least you can now know you aren’t doing anything wrong or missing anything significant.

feel free to take a look at the logs yourselves. i recommend using the "Log Browser" and pasting the following query:
[{"targetNames": ["Elementium Fragment", "Regenerative Blood"], "sourceNames": ["Hashakgik"]}]

Log1
Log2
Log3

optional22 · 03/06/12, 4:35 PM

Originally Posted by snowsed341

I was wondering how much haste vs mastery with gurth would be recommended. Is around 2000h and 1900m good, or is it better to just get as much haste as you can!

Noticed Autopsy on a top parse was running 2kh and 2km is that the stat weights im looking for!

Your help appreciated!

My haste and mastery levels are a product of my gear. There is little haste and a lot of mastery on heroic BIS gear. I reforged according to stat weights (using Heartless's stat weights or an Unholy spreadsheet - they produce slightly different numbers but still result in the same reforging). I could gain a bit more haste, but that would cost a rather large amount of mastery - a net DPS loss.

My current reforging is best for my gear to my knowledge. If someone thinks otherwise, please let me know.

Killdnaction · 03/07/12, 4:03 AM

I'm new to this so bare with my noobish questions.

Now in the main thread Ive noticed that you say

Never gem expressly for hit, even if you are under the cap.

But yet you suggest the [Etched Shadow Spinel] as the main gem to choose for a blue slot. Is there a reason I would want to use the +25 Hit if I'm already hit capped? Why not go with the [Sovereign Shadow Spinel] instead? or is that implied.

And the question I have about the stats weights and reforging is if I do not have the 4 piece tier set BUT I do have the LFR [Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps] should I use the stat weights from the list with [Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps] or should I stick with the weights that do not have [Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps] because I do not have the 4 piece tier?

Or is this only relevant to the Non LFR [Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps].

Thanks in advance.

Thepiegod · 03/07/12, 5:54 AM

Originally Posted by Killdnaction

Now in the main thread Ive noticed that you say But yet you suggest the [Etched Shadow Spinel] as the main gem to choose for a blue slot. Is there a reason I would want to use the +25 Hit if I'm already hit capped? Why not go with the [Sovereign Shadow Spinel] instead? or is that implied.

You use the etched because that hit rating that you can gain from the gem is more stats you can reforge to on your gear for a dps gain, however minimal, whereas stamina provides no dps increase.

rebirth · 03/07/12, 6:19 AM

Hello all - I am badly in need of tips to improve my throughput in raids

My Performance over Gear:
émiya - Epeen Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds
Émiya @ Skullcrusher - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

On static bosses I seem to do okay (but can always improve), but it seems as though I am crapping disproportionally on AOE/movement fights.

This is a long list of questions; I will be grateful for any and all answers:

1) Morchok:
-If I stay in for the Black Blood and AMS after 2 stacks, how much will I improve?
-What else can I do?

2) Yor'sahj:
-If I swap to AoE glyphs, how much will I improve?
-Assuming I must switch for blobs, what else can I do?
-(urgently in need of help: parsing very very bad)

3) Hagara:
-If I swap to Valor trinket. (how much) will I improve?
-If I save the first Frenzy/Garg for the first stun, (how much) will I improve?
-(urgently in need of help: parsing very very bad)

4) Zon'ozz:
-With more switching on HM, what can I do?
-Can't see the stalk cast bars - when is best to Simu the sludge?
-If cleaving the claw is not my job, should I still take Contagion?
-What else can I do?

5) Ultrax, Warmaster, Spine:
-All tips are gratefully welcome

6) Madness:
-Ghoul falls off at Kalecgos while walking to the Mutated Corruption. Other than re-summoning, what can I do?
-Given that the haste buff falls off halfway through phase 1, what's the best CD management here?
-Is contagion mandatory?
-Other than AMS+Ebonplague+Coil for blisterings, what else can I do?

Overall: I spend a lot of time at the dummy, and I should hope that I've followed simmed priorities as well as those listed on this thread quite closely. In light of that, even though UH is reputed to be non-ideal for non-standing fights, the stats clearly say that I am underperforming even with that premise.

Once again, any help would be greatly appreciated.

gharnef · 03/07/12, 10:50 AM

1)There is a way to stay in the whole time, but personally I wouldn't risk it if your raid doesn't badly need the DPS, just pop AMS at 2 stacks and start leaving at 2 seconds to go. You can also use AMS to soak a crystal explosion if you guys do the boss-move strat.

2) Depends how many black phases you get. If you have to swap for blobs, just go frost IMO.

3) Not a lot, gargoyle isn't that well suited for feedback, your best way to increase DPS is to unlink your pet and put it on the ice shard thing that lasts longest and to dot them up as you run around. Valor trinket is alright, but it's probably unnecessary.

4) AMS on the debuff and black phases - you NEED it during black phase. For flails, put it up as you arrive, you won't always get it, but it's still probably worth it. Remember to interrupt the eyes when they crouch. Unless you're speccing specifically for the fight, always take contagion.

5) Ultrax: AMS pretty much on CD unless you have to soak an Hour during that time. Make sure you get all the SS's you can

Blackhorn: Put your aids on everything.

Madness: Nothing, you just have to deal with it, I haven't found a foolproof way of stopping it. Gargoyle on CD, UHF on CD, nothing more you can do. Wait for the last Garg/UHF to line up with the end of platform 4 if at all possible. Contagion is useful on the adds. AMS+coil = dead blisterings.

The main advice I can give anyone looking to do more DPS as unholy is make sure you don't waste resources and hit your SS key more often - the top parses always have way more SS than the non-parses and it's not just haste. More SS -> More RP -> More DCs -> More Runes -> More SS, repeat as nauseam.

• alfi · 03/08/12, 7:29 PM

Originally Posted by rebirth

6) Madness:
-Ghoul falls off at Kalecgos while walking to the Mutated Corruption. Other than re-summoning, what can I do?
-Given that the haste buff falls off halfway through phase 1, what's the best CD management here?
-Is contagion mandatory?
-Other than AMS+Ebonplague+Coil for blisterings, what else can I do?

Until it is fixed (devs are aware of the problem), dismiss your pet before every jump. The design in the encounter right now is that your pet will be automatically re-summoned upon landing on a new platform.

You should be using UF/Garg on every mutated corruption (should line up for every single one).

For the second set of blisterings (AMS+coil spam for the first), festering strike+coil spam is probably the best option.

rebirth · 03/09/12, 5:21 PM

Originally Posted by gharnef

1)
The main advice I can give anyone looking to do more DPS as unholy is make sure you don't waste resources and hit your SS key more often - the top parses always have way more SS than the non-parses and it's not just haste. More SS -> More RP -> More DCs -> More Runes -> More SS, repeat as nauseam.

Yeah, Sims claim that there is a 170 hit to 130 hit ratio between my SS and DC, but when I go on a dummy for extended periods of time, the ratio always turns out to be about 1 to 1. What could be the reasons as to why this is?

On single target parses in real raids, my DC always sits above SS. Should I let RP overflow to get more SS in? I can't figure out what is wrong.

PS: seems like my issue was due to mouse scroll failure - rebinding SS to the keyboard seems to be helping

Obelisk · 03/13/12, 3:38 PM

Does Anti-Magic Zone still work as before?

It doesn't absorb Ultraxion's Hour of Twilight, I'm fine with that.

But we just tried Blackhorn HC, and although I used AMZ, the Twilight Onslaught toasted us.

Hinenuitepo · 03/13/12, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by Obelisk

Does Anti-Magic Zone still work as before?

It doesn't absorb Ultraxion's Hour of Twilight, I'm fine with that.

But we just tried Blackhorn HC, and although I used AMZ, the Twilight Onslaught toasted us.

Since today's reset? I'm not aware of any planned changes.
Used AMZ on HoT just fine on HC Ultra last week.
Used AMZ on Barrage just fine on HC Blackhorn last week (Tues/Sun respectively).

Has to be timed correctly. If you don't have enough health on HoT, you'll still die.
If you use it too early for barrage, it can be used up if anyone under the bubble gets hit by anything.
Post logs showing it didn't work?

Obelisk · 03/13/12, 5:43 PM

I've used AMZ a couple of times on HoT, and AMZ seems to never soak any damage from HoT.
The AMZ does not break from HoT, it fades just from the first AoE tick after HoT.
(At least this is the case to me since our first Ultraxion HC attempt).

But i wondered pretty much when I had to see that four peaople died in the onslought although I popped AMZ.

Hinenuitepo · 03/13/12, 8:14 PM

I used AMZ on our HC kill this week when I had used AMS to save myself and it wasn't up. I didn't have IBF; just AMZ - and survived just fine.

Daerth · 03/16/12, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Obelisk

I've used AMZ a couple of times on HoT, and AMZ seems to never soak any damage from HoT.
The AMZ does not break from HoT, it fades just from the first AoE tick after HoT.
(At least this is the case to me since our first Ultraxion HC attempt).

But i wondered pretty much when I had to see that four peaople died in the onslought although I popped AMZ.

You must be mistiming something on Warhorn since AMZ will normally absorb a very large amount on onslaught BUT it can get eaten up by other debuffs (especially on HC).

On Ultraxion what I always do is AMZ + AMS. When you pop AMZ make sure you're standing in front of everyone else so that it absorbs for you (HOT is a wave spell so it will not absorb equally for everyone like for e.g. Onslaught).

Thepiegod · 03/16/12, 5:19 PM

Originally Posted by Daerth

On Ultraxion what I always do is AMZ + AMS. When you pop AMZ make sure you're standing in front of everyone else so that it absorbs for you (HOT is a wave spell so it will not absorb equally for everyone like for e.g. Onslaught).

Based on some testing I have done, I made a post about this earlier, from what I can tell AMS overrides AMZ. This can be seen in the combat log, and also in that when I was popping AMS+AMZ on Ultraxion for the HoTs the AMZ would actually absorb no dmg from the HoT (I was paired with a rogue), until the AoE pulses after the HoT. Also, the wave theory hasn't been fully agreed upon, I personally think that its inaccurate.

Netukka · 03/16/12, 8:09 PM

Originally Posted by Daerth

On Ultraxion what I always do is AMZ + AMS. When you pop AMZ make sure you're standing in front of everyone else so that it absorbs for you (HOT is a wave spell so it will not absorb equally for everyone like for e.g. Onslaught).

This has been proven wrong in this very thread. Very easily checked by getting any WoL report with AMZ and using the expression editor. It wont absorb 75% of the hit like on most of other spells (say, Blackhorn big explosion or elementium bolt) but it will be substantial.

If you have to soak HoT without barrier, just use IBF/AMS/AMZ and you will live 100% surely. If you need to soak twice without a raid cooldown (in 10man or something) you will probably need a cd with AMS/AMZ (or at least a priest shield, will be close).

Heres my post from page 15

Originally Posted by Netukka

Regarding the AMZ debate, check this log

Link

DKs/Warlocks absorb a lot of extra with AMS/Soul link, but for other classes the effect is very clear. Note how one of the holy palas did not gain the AMZ buff (too far back probly) and only absorbed 1.8k.