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Old 10/10/11, 4:03 AM   #76
Probaton
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Blood Elf Rogue
 
Hellfire (EU)
Originally Posted by Raistlin212 View Post
"Dual wielding Frost DKs will use Rune of Razorice on their main hand with Rune of the Fallen Crusader on their offhand."

Why, out of curiosity?
The short answer is obvious 'because it does the most damage'. The slightly longer answer has to do with the fact that the OH portion of FS and OB isn't dodged or parried, so with equal speed weapons your OH will score more hits than your MH. Since you want your most 'valuable' proc on the weapon that scores the most hits Fallen Crusader is applied to your OH.

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Old 10/10/11, 4:36 PM   #77
Skullbound
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Worgen Death Knight
 
Emerald Dream
Just have one small question, I can't seem to find the updated version of a simulator, I am using the only one I could find which is "Khaorie DK Simulator 2.0 Beta - Including Cataclysm." And I can't seem to find where the 378/397 gear is, all I see is 372 gear and it doesn't allow me to import my toon from live servers. Is there something I'm missing? Did I miss read something? I apologize if so.

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Old 10/11/11, 9:07 AM   #78
Rhomboidspace
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Undead Death Knight
 
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Originally Posted by saboya View Post
Hm I never experienced that. You mean you have to enter combat and kiil lsomething that grants experience and/or honor in order for it to work? Because if I keep casting HoW pre-pull the RP depletion rate is much higher than the amount of RP I can generate. I'm specced 1/2 Butchery.
It might be required 2/2 butchery for this to work, or it could be 2/2 Icy reach required. I'll have to go through and respec a few times to figure which it is specifically, but the few times i have seen a difference between re-specing, those 2 were the difference.
Originally Posted by Paxtez View Post
As far as HoW + 2p, I've also noticed that you get a net gain of RP when not in combat.
Its not much, you get about 2-4 rp per HoW cycle.
HoW: 10 rp/20 sec
2pc: 3rp/5sec
Per 20sec : 22rp. RP seems to deplete at about 1rp per second.
The depletion rate is affected by one or both of the 2 talents I mentioned just above. If you don't spec into either you lose runic faster then you gain.
Originally Posted by Komskies View Post
If you cast Horn of Winter and Death and Decay every time they come off cooldown, you can cap your RP before a pull. And keep it capped until you pull.
Edit: With T12.2 of course.
This does not work if you're not spec'ed into the proper talent. I'll figure it out for sure what it is, I'm just being cheap

Edit:
It is definitively 2/2 butchery that does this. it can be done using HoW and D&D w/o 2/2 Butchery, but that leaves you with 1 less rune 1/3 of the time, which isn't that bad. But with 2/2 butchery you can do this with HoW alone.

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Old 10/28/11, 3:56 AM   #79
Epimetheus
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Pandaren Monk
 
Gul'dan (EU)
Hey,

I have a question for hardmode tanking as a Blood DK. I am tanking 10-mans hm and I am most of the time the second tank, as my DPS is better. Our first tank, a def-warrior, is on holidays for some time now, so its me being the first. I saw me face to face to Baleroc and found it rather shocking HOW spiky it felt.

Here my question: Is it still an option to stack stam instead of mastery for heavy tank-damage fights? I did that last night and it felt a lot smoother to tank Beth and even Baleroc.

I know, Stam for Baleroc should not be optimal. But why? Its just Deciblade where Stam really sucks and DKs have so much tools to handle that (vamp+drw+ams).

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Old 10/28/11, 4:45 AM   #80
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It's not optimal because inferno blade also stacks your hp by 20%. Thus, by the end of the fight your health pool is going to be ludicrously high anyway so a few more % at the start isn't going to tide you over.

That said DK's actually have a pretty strong advantage main tanking Baleroc. Your DS heals are based on the damage you're getting and as the damage you're getting is ridiculously high your heals are correspondingly kick-ass. Basically Stam stacking isn't necessarily a bad idea on any fight except Baleroc.

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Old 10/28/11, 12:28 PM   #81
Asphyxialol
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You actually want to invest in a heavy avoidance setup for Baleroc as the MT. It *can* be done as mastery or stamina gemmed, but it will still be easier as avoidance gemmed due to the frequently of his strikes. It's also extremely important that you work with your healers and even dps (like a ret pally) for sacs, pw:b, ps, etc. and maintain as close to 100% coverage as possible.

Stamina doesn't do much for your survivability other than it allowing the healers probably another 1.5s to get heals on you which can be *huge* on some fights (ie not Baleroc because you won't gain the 1.5s window due to the frequency of his strikes and the strength of his strikes). Baleroc himself increases your health so significantly you'd see a better return on mastery honestly.

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Old 11/04/11, 11:14 AM   #82
EwokChilli
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Medivh
How are people best utilizing AoK? I've been having very mixed outcomes with it's use. My biggest concern is getting the most bang for my buck for shorter Heroics like Baleroc and Staghelm which also have very stern dps requirements. Currently I have AoK macro'd into PoF. This leads to my first PoF of the fight not activating AoK since it has no stacks and then AoK lines up with PoF after a minute and every 2 minutes thereafter.

For Alysrazor, since it is such a long fight, it tends to do well since I get to use it between 4-5 times during the fight. For Baleroc and Staghelm, I tend to only get 2 uses out of it. Should I try to pop it as soon as I get 5 stacks so that I can get 3 uses out of it or is it more gain to line it up with PoF?

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Old 11/06/11, 10:18 PM   #83
1BadZ
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Worgen Death Knight
 
Wyrmrest Accord
Which bubble gets consumed first for melee hits? A disc priest's bubbles, or the blood mastery bubble?

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Old 11/06/11, 11:59 PM   #84
irongnome
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Human Death Knight
 
Dragonmaw
Originally Posted by Viggers View Post
Fallen Crusader uptime is not affected by it being on the mainhand, but razorice does a % of weapon damage. Since off-hand attacks hit for 75% of the damage of your mainhand, if razorice was on the offhand it would deal 25% less damage. its an extremely minor dps increase, but a dps increase non the less.
Stop posting bad information. Next time test it out yourself.

The first image is OH razorice.
The second image is MH razorice.
The third image is both MH and OH razorice.





As you can easily see that out of 500 hits the highest razorice hits for is 36 damage. Mind you, I don't have the talents for Dual Wielding so my OH actually hits for only 50% of my MH weapon. So the difference if it did exist should have been far greater.

The only reason we have razorice on our MH instead of our OH is due to fallen crusader uptime being higher on our OH than our MH due to miss mechanics.

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Old 11/09/11, 12:56 PM   #85
Viggers
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Bloodfeather (EU)
I just simmed my DK, and got very strange stat weights. Hit was top as expected followed by haste mastery then crit. Thats expected, but my value for expertise was 0.1. about 10% as good as crit. I am aware that some gear setups will change the value of secondary stats but i find it hard to beleive that this could happen.

The only reason i could think of for this is that i have just changed my legs and now have way too much expertise (36) but im not sure on how simcraft works to say if this is the cause. If so, should i be reforging before checking stat weights after getting a new gear upgrade?

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Old 11/09/11, 1:46 PM   #86
Asphyxialol
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Mal'Ganis
Did you have 'Use positive deltas' checked? If so that will only add expertise, not take off 300 and thus your expertise would be valued at the same amount as parry expertise rather than dodge expertise (ie hard vs soft cap).

In addition you could have changed the raw value it removes to check it's value (say if Exp cap was 601 and you were at 651, then removing 50 still keeps you over the cap and thus still gets you a crappy weight.

I think by default it's set at 300? but pretty sure it's easy to change it to lower values like 50, etc.

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Old 11/11/11, 6:12 PM   #87
Viggers
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Bloodfeather (EU)
Thank that was indeed it. Even having chganged that i got haste ranked above expertise, but not by much. Still unexpected in my opinion, but not as rediculous as a 0 weight for expertise.

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Old 11/30/11, 8:10 AM   #88
nergal119
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Dalaran
I generally spent last night either offtanking or sitting out (since everyone comes back for a new patch, especially on 25m) so I didn't notice...

Has anyone seen if there is anything in Dragon Soul that requires much in the way of kiting or on-the-ball interrupts? I am wondering if there is any point for DW Frost to spec into Chillblains or Endless Winter this tier rather than Icy Reach/RPM and Impr FP.

Looking at the boss abilities says not really (though I might have missed something), but I figured that I would ask here.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 11/30/11, 8:36 AM   #89
Dkbel
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I know this is a really, REALLY simple question but; what is the expertise cap for a DW Deathknight?

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Old 11/30/11, 8:54 AM   #90
Naus
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Bleeding Hollow
The EXP cap for DW is 26 exp. Trying to get the hard cap is nigh impossible and would sink our dps.

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