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Old 11/30/11, 12:17 PM   #91
Asphyxialol
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by nergal119 View Post
I generally spent last night either offtanking or sitting out (since everyone comes back for a new patch, especially on 25m) so I didn't notice...

Has anyone seen if there is anything in Dragon Soul that requires much in the way of kiting or on-the-ball interrupts? I am wondering if there is any point for DW Frost to spec into Chillblains or Endless Winter this tier rather than Icy Reach/RPM and Impr FP.

Looking at the boss abilities says not really (though I might have missed something), but I figured that I would ask here.

Thanks in advance.
No fights in normal DS require extensive interrupts or kiting.

Originally Posted by Rougeyopants View Post
Hello. I was wondering If I could get some help on my DW Frost rotation. Im pulling around 21k on the dummies but I rekon I can get more. I cant tell you my exact rotation but it go's a little something like this. PoF, trink(s), raise dead, spell that applies both diseases, Obliterate as much as possible (and using it when KM procs), use HB when Rime procs, and spam FS as possible when full on RP, while using HoW on downtimes. Blood taping as much as possible.

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Frost DPS | Winter of Discontent [4.3]

This covers not only the rotation, but the reasoning behind the abilities placement. So long as you follow that you can't really go wrong.

Standsinfire - Onslutx - Claptrapx - Stoodinfire

[22:56:57.671] Onslaughtx Rune Tap Onslaughtx +24272
[22:56:58.260] Onslaughtx Tipping of the Scales Onslaughtx +26997
[22:56:58.802] Onslaughtx gains Blood Shield from Onslaughtx (Remaining: 99978)
[22:56:58.802] Onslaughtx Death Strike Onslaughtx +71477
[22:57:00.321] Onslaughtx's Blood Shield is refreshed by Onslaughtx (Remaining: 199957)
[22:57:00.321] Onslaughtx Death Strike Onslaughtx +71478

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Old 12/01/11, 10:18 AM   #92
crazy dodo
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Figured this question might be better asked here.

Why is expertise such an undervalued stat for Unholy? I know we have some free GCD's but even so it seems counter-intuitive that we want to miss more, considering that each miss pushes back our rotation. Perhaps I'm missing the bigger picture here.

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Old 12/01/11, 10:29 AM   #93
Tsuyah
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Illidan
Originally Posted by crazy dodo View Post
Figured this question might be better asked here.

Why is expertise such an undervalued stat for Unholy? I know we have some free GCD's but even so it seems counter-intuitive that we want to miss more, considering that each miss pushes back our rotation. Perhaps I'm missing the bigger picture here.
The exact reason is you do have free GCDs, and if you miss you lose literally nothing other than time, unless you miss a string of strikes in a row (which rarely happens) you don't end up wasting resources, so there is no net loss. In your full rotation it doesn't matter if you miss the first strike and then go through it all before having some wait time at the end, or you don't miss anything and have extra wait at the end. Do note though - it does have SOME value because more white hits = more SD procs, and the occasional string of misses.

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Old 12/01/11, 10:47 AM   #94
huntcaudata
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Furthermore, giant chunks of our damage are not affected by expertise at all: DnD, Death Coil, ghoul and gargoyle damage, diseases (except for the rare need for plague strike) - none of these benefit from expertise.

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Old 12/01/11, 1:00 PM   #95
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Another really simple question; what's the difference between no restrictions and normal?

Thanks and sorry to bug you guys.

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Old 12/01/11, 1:09 PM   #96
Asphyxialol
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Originally Posted by Dkbel View Post
Another really simple question; what's the difference between no restrictions and normal?

Thanks and sorry to bug you guys.
Effectively it means gear from Heroic mode content vs normal mode content.

Standsinfire - Onslutx - Claptrapx - Stoodinfire

[22:56:57.671] Onslaughtx Rune Tap Onslaughtx +24272
[22:56:58.260] Onslaughtx Tipping of the Scales Onslaughtx +26997
[22:56:58.802] Onslaughtx gains Blood Shield from Onslaughtx (Remaining: 99978)
[22:56:58.802] Onslaughtx Death Strike Onslaughtx +71477
[22:57:00.321] Onslaughtx's Blood Shield is refreshed by Onslaughtx (Remaining: 199957)
[22:57:00.321] Onslaughtx Death Strike Onslaughtx +71478

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Old 12/01/11, 6:57 PM   #97
Vethek
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I've been trying to sim my situation, but have yet to gain any results that are actually helping so I figured I could try making a post about it.

I'm currently running close to the 4.2 BiS list (missing the belt). Now I did LFR today and have the opportunity to drop my legs and gloves (T12, 391 ilvl) for a pair of T13s at LFR level (384 ilvl). Is the new 2-set good enough to drop the 4-set and lose the stats from the higher ilvl that I have now? I've been reading about the mechanics, but I didn't manage to come to a good conclusion myself.

Thanks.

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Old 12/02/11, 9:54 AM   #98
kuntas
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Depending on the order of the platform during madness of deathwing is it viable to switch to frost presence so long as we have the haste buff dpsing as unholy ?

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Old 12/02/11, 12:37 PM   #99
nergal119
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Originally Posted by kuntas View Post
Depending on the order of the platform during madness of deathwing is it viable to switch to frost presence so long as we have the haste buff dpsing as unholy ?
I am fairly certain that one of the reasons why we use UP is for the other effect of reducing our GCDs by 0.5 seconds. With so much haste in FP, we would have the issue of simply not being able to use resources fast enough. So essentially, the presences work in the opposite way from which you are thinking, FP is for relatively low values haste and UP is for higher values.

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Old 12/04/11, 3:14 PM   #100
krekot
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New patch, new boss and new spells which we could copy with DarkSim for hit boss, so any ideas?

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Old 12/06/11, 1:05 PM   #101
huntcaudata
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This isn't exactly a simple question, but it is an item evaluation one, so I think it fits better here than in the endgame blood thread:

I am having a hard time valuing [Resolve of Undying], which of course had to drop our first week instead of one of the trinkets our dps would kill for. I had almost completely discounted using it when evaluating T13 gear in favor of [Soulshifter Vortex] and [Fire of the Deep] . However, Resolve provides a ton of avoidance (>3%) almost passively.

I'm currently using it (for one week anyway) on Madness, since the only tank damage that matters at all there is Tetanus, and an avoided attack can make the difference between completely unhealable damage and no damage at all due to stacks falling off. Even here, though, I wouldn't want that randomness during farming or once we're working on heroics.

So the question is - at this point, is pure avoidance, even in such a large amount, worth considering over the other options (even T12 heroic trinkets) or should we be focusing almost completely on either EH or Mastery?

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Old 12/08/11, 11:28 AM   #102
Hinenuitepo
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Originally Posted by krekot View Post
New patch, new boss and new spells which we could copy with DarkSim for hit boss, so any ideas?
In the main threads, you'll see some discussion of Hagara's Shattered Ice, which seems the best bet. Others, I'm not sure yet.

I've not been much of a DarkSim user in the past myself, so was wondering in this thread if anyone could provide suggestions for setting up either Power Auras or Mik's to notify of a Shattered Ice cast; how have you folks gotten that to work so we can best use DarkSim on Hagara?

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Old 12/08/11, 12:48 PM   #103
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She casts it frequently during her normal phases, so you should be able to catch one if you keep an eye on her casts pretty easily. Also, the ice and lightning phases last long enough for Dark Sim to come off cooldown, so you should be able to get one Dark Sim off for each normal phase.

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Old 12/09/11, 2:40 AM   #104
Mangrol
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Originally Posted by Kaejin View Post
She casts it frequently during her normal phases, so you should be able to catch one if you keep an eye on her casts pretty easily. Also, the ice and lightning phases last long enough for Dark Sim to come off cooldown, so you should be able to get one Dark Sim off for each normal phase.
From my experience in raidfinder she casts it after every focused assault. Can't see that it would be different on normal. I'll do a normal 10-man next reset and try to confirm.

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Old 12/11/11, 12:52 PM   #105
feorh
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Hast soft cap
at my current 2.2k haste i find myself gcd capped more or less often - am i doing something wrong?

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