5.0.4 DK Review - Death in the Mists - Page 2

jiushibujiangli · 09/13/12, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Otou

No Soul Reaper until 87, until then the damage between all lv 75 options is practically equal. Blood Tap's value also depends on fight length, and how long the execute phase is. I'll update the post to better show the value of UB/BT with Soul Reaper.

Macroing Blood Tap is a dps loss though. It means that Blood Tap procs can be wasted on Death/Unholy Runes, instead of only being used on Blood/Frost.

By now. If I am a 2H frost, I also need to choose the RE as my Tier 5?

• Jessamy · 09/13/12, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by jiushibujiangli

By now. If I am a 2H frost, I also need to choose the RE as my Tier 5?

There's a discussion about this question in the mechanics thread. (link) It seems that at level 85, with the t13 set bonus, Unholy and 2H Frost want RC, for more mastery.

Otou · 09/23/12, 6:21 AM

After doing some AoE testing, I found out something interesting about the way Roiling Blood works.

According to the tool tip, you'd expect it to simply cast Blood Boil and Pestilence at the same time. Following this line of thought, every time you cast Blood Boil, Pestilence should cast on your target. When you want to refresh diseases on your main target, you simply tab to a different target to cast Pestilence on it. However, this isn't what the talent does.

When you use Blood Boil with Roiling Blood talented, it selects the closest enemy to your character with Frost Fever or Blood Plague. This means that if you're attempting to refresh diseases during AoE, you can't simply tab to a different target to refresh the primary target. You have to actually move your character closest to the target you want to Pestilence from.

I suspect that this is what many Unholy dps were seeing when using Roiling Blood to AoE, and reporting that it sometimes doesn't work. Blood wouldn't normally notice notice this thanks to Scarlet Fever, and Frost avoids Roiling Blood in most situations.

I'm not quite sure if this qualifies as a "Bug", but it could cause problems when AoE-ing mobs with abnormal hit boxes.

• Jessamy · 09/26/12, 6:50 PM

Here is a list of heroic dungeon strength dps loot I made for myself.

1h axe crescent of ichor shado-pan monastery agility
1h axe inelava, spirit of inebriation stormstout brewery 476
1h axe dubious handaxe temple of the jade serpent
1h mace gao's keg tapper stormstout brewery agility
1h sword siege-captain's scimitar siege of niuzao temple agility
1h sword ook's hozen slicer stormstout brewery
1h sword the horseman's sinister slicer hallow's end agility
2h axe the gleaming ravager scarlet halls
2h mace goresoaked headreaper scholomance
2h mace mograine's immaculate might scarlet halls
2h mace warmace of taran zhu shado-pan monastery
2h sword gravetouch greatsword scholomance
2h sword lightbreaker greatsword scarlet monastery
2h polearm ghostheart mogu'shan palace agility
back cloak of failing will temple of the jade serpent
belt binding of broken dreams temple of the jade serpent
boots spike-soled stompers shado-pan monastery
boots anchoring sabatons siege of niuzao temple
chest hateshatter chestplate shado-pan monastery
chest riverbed chestguard temple of the jade serpent
hands dark blaze gauntlets scholomance
helm meteoric greathelm mogu'shan palace
helm sightfinder helm siege of niuzao temple
helm the horseman's horrific hood hallow's end 470
legs pyretic legguards scarlet halls
neck whirling dervish choker mogu'shan palace
neck helios, durand's soul of purity scarlet monastery 476
neck cloudstrike pendant shado-pan monastery
ring blade trap signet mogu'shan palace
ring firefinger ring scarlet monastery
ring band of the petrified pumpkin hallow's end 470
shoulder acid scarred spaulders gate of the setting sun
shoulder serpentstrike shoulders temple of the jade serpent
trinket coren's cold chromium coaster brewfest event 470
trinket lessons of the darkmaster scholomance
trinket carbonic carbuncle stormstout brewery
wrist commanding bracers scarlet halls
wrist bracers of the fallen crusader scarlet monastery

Gnomeoleon · 09/26/12, 9:39 PM

Seems like there is something wrong with Soul Reaper. I haven't been able to find any post about it, but it seems like it is NOT working as intended (the buff portion). Instead of granting 50% haste for 10 seconds, it is only lasting for 4 seconds (when the mob dies before SR does its damage). The explanation on the buff we get says it should last for 10 secs, but the timer is only up for 4. (tested this again with character tab open, haste falls off after the 4 seconds).
Has this been changed, or is it a new issue?

Otou · 09/27/12, 1:12 PM

Originally Posted by Gnomeoleon

Seems like there is something wrong with Soul Reaper. I haven't been able to find any post about it, but it seems like it is NOT working as intended (the buff portion). Instead of granting 50% haste for 10 seconds, it is only lasting for 4 seconds (when the mob dies before SR does its damage). The explanation on the buff we get says it should last for 10 secs, but the timer is only up for 4. (tested this again with character tab open, haste falls off after the 4 seconds).
Has this been changed, or is it a new issue?

Nope, Soul Reaper was "stealth nerfed" from a 10 second haste buff down to 5. Taking advatage of the haste buff with cd stacking was probably too good.

djxak · 10/04/12, 6:14 PM

Why the all DKs are using Glyph of Dark Simulakrum? There are bosses where it is usable?

Otou · 10/04/12, 9:42 PM

It's a straight buff to dark sim with no drawbacks, and you're allowed to copy most 5 man trash spells. It also works on players during Maddening Shout on Spirit Kings.

There are only about 4 glyphs that can be regularly used in PvE content (ams, pest, dark sim, and ibf). So most dks will be running the same handful of glyphs.

djxak · 10/06/12, 8:04 PM

There is 5th gliph. Glyph of Death Strike.
After any killing blow you can use DS to free 30-60k dmg (and heal yourself of course).
It works wery well on 3rd boss for example. After killing mob in dark room you can do free dmg (usually runes not refreshed so fast) to next add and heal yourself through shadowbolts damage.

slant · 10/22/12, 5:40 PM

Soul Reaper resets the melee swing timer.

I submitted this bug on the blizz forums and to the simcraft issues list. Simcraft source is already updated and the change should be in the next release. I plan to download and compile the simcraft SVN when I get home from work and run some tests, but if someone reads this and wants to beat me to it please feel free.

Soul Reaper will likely be worth using with this bug, even for frost spec, but it will be a smaller performance gain than previously anticipated. I imagine 2H frost and unholy will run a swing timer addon and try to use SR in the first half second or so of their swing to minimize the penalty. DW frost will just have to eat it.

Edit: Results below from SVN simcraft. SR is still worth using in all cases. The bug costs between 0.4% and 1.2% total performance, depending on spec.

DW Frost T14H skipping SR: 111239 (100%)
DW Frost T14H bugged SR: 113941 (102.4%)
DW Frost T14H non-bugged SR: 114384 (102.8%)

2H Frost T14H skipping SR: 112400 (100%)
2H Frost T14H bugged SR: 115133 (102.4%)
2H Frost T14H non-bugged SR: 116455 (103.6%)

Unholy T14H skipping SR: 107405 (100%)
Unholy T14H bugged SR: 109284 (101.7%)
Unholy T14H non-bugged SR: 110361 (102.7%)