Frost DPS 5.0.4 - The Cold Hand of Death - Page 8

Xemnosyst · 11/14/12, 3:50 PM

Originally Posted by huntcaudata

This is definitely helpful - however, I don't see a similar increase for characters in current gear, in fact I see a ~500dps loss(myself and another dk both checked, ilevel 491-494). Have you tested in your current gear?

Edit: Actually, I just ran the BiS profile and don't see an increase there either. Does this differ from what you're using: DK 2H new priority - Pastebin.com?

My apologies! I am now seeing the same as you. Did the default priority change recently? Or maybe it's because I was running in 505-4 before? I don't know.

At any rate, I played around with it again using 505-5 and only found some minor improvements: +800 dps from the profile on simulationcraft.org. I played around with it so much I lost track of all the specific changes that made a difference, but I'm pretty sure changes to the precombat list, Plague Leech, and making greater use of HoW helped. I'll post this as an issue @ simulationcraft, too, as spektor56 suggested. Here is my resulting action list:

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actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite
actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp
actions.precombat+=/frost_presence
actions.precombat+=/horn_of_winter
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion
actions.precombat+=/army_of_the_dead
actions.precombat+=/raise_dead

# Cooldowns
actions=auto_attack
actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=target.time_to_die<=30|(target.time_to_die<=60&buff.pillar_of_fr ost.up)
actions+=/use_item,name=gauntlets_of_the_lost_catacomb,if=frost>=1|death>=1
actions+=/blood_fury,if=time>=10
actions+=/pillar_of_frost
actions+=/raise_dead

# Diseases for Free
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(cooldown.outbreak.remains<1|dot.blood_pl ague.remains<1|dot.frost_fever.remains<1)
actions+=/outbreak,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_plague.ticking
actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_pl ague.ticking)

# Soul Reaper
actions+=/soul_reaper,if=target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=35

# Diseases for Runes
actions+=/howling_blast,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking
actions+=/plague_strike,if=!dot.blood_plague.ticking

# Rime
actions+=/howling_blast,if=buff.rime.react

# Don't Waste Runic Power
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>76
actions+=/frost_strike,if=runic_power>76

# Killing Machine
actions+=/obliterate,if=buff.killing_machine.react
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.killing_machine.react

# Keep Runes on Cooldown
actions+=/obliterate,if=(blood=2|frost=2|unholy=2)

# Refresh Diseases
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<3|dot.frost_fev er.remains<3)
actions+=/outbreak,if=dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3
actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_pl ague.remains<3)

# Regen Resources
actions+=/horn_of_winter
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_empowerment.enabled&frost=0&(death>0|unholy>0)
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack<=10
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_corruption.enabled&buff.runic_corruption.down

# Normal Stuff
actions+=/obliterate
actions+=/empower_rune_weapon,if=target.time_to_die<=60&buff.mogu_power_potion.up
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>=20
actions+=/frost_strike

# Better than Waiting
actions+=/empower_rune_weapon
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled

sonicdragolgo · 11/15/12, 5:07 AM

2H, 50k iterations, 450sec, no variation.

505-5: 115099dps
Xemno: 115888dps
see below: 116185dps

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vifardente · 11/15/12, 7:17 AM

Casting HoW only if rp < 100 yields some more dps:
actions+=/horn_of_winter,if=runic_power<100

Xemnosyst · 11/15/12, 1:21 PM

This is fun!

To make a fair comparison, we have to change this line in the default profile (and also in Sonicdragolo's), which otherwise reacts to killing machine with super-human reflexes:

#actions+=/frost_strike,if=!buff.killing_machine.up&(Blood=0|Frost=0|Unholy=0)
actions+=/frost_strike,if=!buff.killing_machine.react&(Blood=0|Frost=0|Unholy=0)

After that, the scorecard becomes, w/ 50k iterations, 450 sec, 20% variation
114651dps: 505-5
115682dps: Sonic
115859dps: Xem 1
116118dps: see below

I combined some ideas between my previous action list and Sonic's, played around a little, and came up with:

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actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite
actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp
actions.precombat+=/frost_presence
actions.precombat+=/horn_of_winter
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/army_of_the_dead
actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion
actions.precombat+=/raise_dead

# Cooldowns
actions=auto_attack
actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=target.time_to_die<=30|(target.time_to_die<=60&buff.pillar_of_fr ost.up)
actions+=/use_item,name=gauntlets_of_the_lost_catacomb,if=frost>=1|death>=1
actions+=/blood_fury,if=time>=10
actions+=/pillar_of_frost
actions+=/raise_dead

# Diseases for Free
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<1|dot.frost_fev er.remains<1)
actions+=/outbreak,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_plague.ticking
actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_pl ague.ticking)

# Soul Reaper
actions+=/soul_reaper,if=target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=35

# Diseases for Runes
actions+=/howling_blast,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking
actions+=/plague_strike,if=!dot.blood_plague.ticking

# Rime
actions+=/howling_blast,if=buff.rime.react

# Killing Machine
actions+=/obliterate,if=buff.killing_machine.react
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.killing_machine.react

# Don't Waste Runic Power
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>76
actions+=/frost_strike,if=runic_power>76

# Keep Runes on Cooldown
actions+=/obliterate,if=(blood=2|frost=2|unholy=2)

# Refresh Diseases
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<3|dot.frost_fev er.remains<3)
actions+=/outbreak,if=dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3
actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_pl ague.remains<3)

# Regen Resources
actions+=/horn_of_winter
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_empowerment.enabled&frost=0&(death>0|unholy>0)
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack<=10
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_corruption.enabled&buff.runic_corruption.down

# Normal Stuff
actions+=/obliterate
actions+=/empower_rune_weapon,if=target.time_to_die<=60&buff.mogu_power_potion.up
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>=20
actions+=/frost_strike

# Better than Waiting
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled
actions+=/empower_rune_weapon

sonicdragolgo · 11/16/12, 3:45 AM

If someone else also wonders what's the difference between a buff being "up" and a buff being "react"ed to: "up" simulates a reaction time of 0ms (which is highly unrealistic), "react" uses a variable called "reaction_time" which is set to 500ms (too high imo) by default. The reaction time can be set to a custom value by "reaction_time=0.25" for example.

However, I also think that we should use the react option for every action as Xem already suggested.

mendenbarr · 11/17/12, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Xemnosyst

This is fun!

To make a fair comparison, we have to change this line in the default profile (and also in Sonicdragolo's), which otherwise reacts to killing machine with super-human reflexes:

#actions+=/frost_strike,if=!buff.killing_machine.up&(Blood=0|Frost=0|Unholy=0)
actions+=/frost_strike,if=!buff.killing_machine.react&(Blood=0|Frost=0|Unholy=0)

After that, the scorecard becomes, w/ 50k iterations, 450 sec, 20% variation
114651dps: 505-5
115682dps: Sonic
115859dps: Xem 1
116118dps: see below

I combined some ideas between my previous action list and Sonic's, played around a little, and came up with:

← Click Here

actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite
actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp
actions.precombat+=/frost_presence
actions.precombat+=/horn_of_winter
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/army_of_the_dead
actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion
actions.precombat+=/raise_dead

# Cooldowns
actions=auto_attack
actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=target.time_to_die<=30|(target.time_to_die<=60&buff.pillar_of_fr ost.up)
actions+=/use_item,name=gauntlets_of_the_lost_catacomb,if=frost>=1|death>=1
actions+=/blood_fury,if=time>=10
actions+=/pillar_of_frost
actions+=/raise_dead

# Diseases for Free
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<1|dot.frost_fev er.remains<1)
actions+=/outbreak,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_plague.ticking
actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_pl ague.ticking)

# Soul Reaper
actions+=/soul_reaper,if=target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=35

# Diseases for Runes
actions+=/howling_blast,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking
actions+=/plague_strike,if=!dot.blood_plague.ticking

# Rime
actions+=/howling_blast,if=buff.rime.react

# Killing Machine
actions+=/obliterate,if=buff.killing_machine.react
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.killing_machine.react

# Don't Waste Runic Power
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>76
actions+=/frost_strike,if=runic_power>76

# Keep Runes on Cooldown
actions+=/obliterate,if=(blood=2|frost=2|unholy=2)

# Refresh Diseases
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<3|dot.frost_fev er.remains<3)
actions+=/outbreak,if=dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3
actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_pl ague.remains<3)

# Regen Resources
actions+=/horn_of_winter
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_empowerment.enabled&frost=0&(death>0|unholy>0)
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack<=10
actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_corruption.enabled&buff.runic_corruption.down

# Normal Stuff
actions+=/obliterate
actions+=/empower_rune_weapon,if=target.time_to_die<=60&buff.mogu_power_potion.up
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>=20
actions+=/frost_strike

# Better than Waiting
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled
actions+=/empower_rune_weapon

Whenever I try to run this I receive a "Simulation failed!" error. I've tried removing all the notes, and it doesn't help. Using live version.

Xemnosyst · 11/17/12, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by mendenbarr

Whenever I try to run this I receive a "Simulation failed!" error. I've tried removing all the notes, and it doesn't help. Using live version.

Check for stray spaces in what you pasted. Maybe due to my forum incompetence, I don't know, but I had that problem when trying out Sonic's list before.

huntcaudata · 11/17/12, 8:33 PM

This is a little off topic, but it should save everyone in the current conversation some trouble.

The forums tags add spaces randomly, I have no idea why, it's not due to anything you did, nor can you do anything about it - that's why I usually post them to pastebin instead.

If you are copying from the forum - paste the text in a text editor first, do a find/replace on spaces and replace them with nothing, then paste it in simcraft.

• Jessamy · 11/17/12, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by huntcaudata

The forums tags add spaces randomly, I have no idea why, it's not due to anything you did, nor can you do anything about it - that's why I usually post them to pastebin instead.

If you are copying from the forum - paste the text in a text editor first, do a find/replace on spaces and replace them with nothing, then paste it in simcraft.

The forum software sometimes adds (or removes) spaces in order to present readable English. Text in a [spoiler] tag still will be presented as text, and parsed the same as other text. This doesn't always translate well for code blocks (or ascii art), which is why there is an alternative. Use [code] tags instead of [spoiler] tags and then you can just copy-paste without any extra steps.

kraffslol · 11/19/12, 6:01 PM

Is the BIS 2H list out of date?
I tried to change the darkmoon trinket to lei shin's final orders and it returned an increase of about 200dps with 50k iterations.

#!./simc 

deathknight="Death_Knight_Frost_2h_T14H"
origin="unknown"
level=90
race=orc
spec=frost
role=attack
position=back
professions=enchanting=600/engineering=600
talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#dZ!1...1.

actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite
actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp
actions.precombat+=/frost_presence
actions.precombat+=/horn_of_winter
actions.precombat+=/army_of_the_dead
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion

actions=blood_fury,if=time>=10
actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=target.time_to_die<=30|(target.time_to_die<=60&buff.pillar_of_frost.up)
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/raise_dead
actions+=/use_item,name=gauntlets_of_the_lost_catacomb,if=(frost>=1|death>=1)
actions+=/pillar_of_frost
actions+=/outbreak,if=dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3
actions+=/soul_reaper,if=target.health.pct<=35|((target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die))<=35)
actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3)
actions+=/howling_blast,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking
actions+=/plague_strike,if=!dot.blood_plague.ticking
actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&((cooldown.outbreak.remains<1)|(buff.rime.react&dot.blood_plague.remains<3&(unholy>=1|death>=1)))
actions+=/howling_blast,if=buff.rime.react
actions+=/obliterate,if=(Blood=2|Frost=2|Unholy=2)
actions+=/frost_strike,if=!buff.killing_machine.up&(Blood=0|Frost=0|Unholy=0)
actions+=/obliterate,if=runic_power<=76
actions+=/empower_rune_weapon,if=target.time_to_die<=60&buff.mogu_power_potion.up
actions+=/obliterate,if=buff.killing_machine.react
actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled
actions+=/horn_of_winter
actions+=/frost_strike
actions+=/empower_rune_weapon

head=helmet_of_the_lost_catacomb,id=86915,gems=reverberating_primal_80str_160hit_180str,reforge=hit_haste
neck=shackle_of_eversparks,id=90508,reforge=hit_haste
shoulders=shoulderpads_of_misshapen_life,id=86986,gems=80str_160haste_60str,enchant=200str_100crit,reforge=mastery_haste
back=hiseks_chrysanthemum_cape,id=86945,enchant=180crit
chest=breastplate_of_the_lost_catacomb,id=86913,gems=320haste_320haste_120crit,enchant=80all
wrists=bracers_of_defiled_earth,id=90506,enchant=180str,reforge=hit_haste
hands=gauntlets_of_the_lost_catacomb,id=86914,enchant=170str,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii,reforge=crit_haste
waist=waistplate_of_overwhelming_assault,id=86955,gems=320haste_80str_160hit_160str_120haste,reforge=mastery_crit
legs=greaves_of_the_lost_catacomb,id=86916,gems=80str_160haste_60str,enchant=285str_165crit,reforge=mastery_haste
feet=impaling_treads,id=86979,gems=320haste_60hit,enchant=175haste,reforge=hit_crit
finger1=ring_of_the_bladed_tempest,id=86957,enchant=160str
finger2=dread_shadow_ring,id=87158,enchant=160str,reforge=hit_haste
trinket1=darkmist_vortex,id=87172
trinket2=lei_shins_final_orders,id=87072
main_hand=shinka_execution_of_dominion,id=87176,gems=500str,enchant=rune_of_the_fallen_crusader,reforge=mastery_haste

# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=17760
# gear_agility=80
# gear_stamina=20440
# gear_intellect=80
# gear_spirit=80
# gear_expertise_rating=2340
# gear_hit_rating=2570
# gear_crit_rating=4458
# gear_haste_rating=7225
# gear_mastery_rating=3163
# gear_armor=34302
# meta_gem=reverberating_primal
# tier14_2pc_melee=1
# tier14_4pc_melee=1
# hands=gauntlets_of_the_lost_catacomb,heroic=1,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii
# main_hand=shinka_execution_of_dominion,heroic=1,weapon=axe2h_3.60speed_14525min_21788max,enchant=rune_of_the_fallen_crusader

sonicdragolgo · 11/20/12, 3:34 AM

With Xemno's latest list (see spoiler) it's even a 540 dps gain. The DMC is still better than the non-heroic version though.

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#!./simc deathknight="Death_Knight_Frost_2h_T14H" origin="unknown" level=90 race=orc spec=frost role=attack position=back professions=enchanting=600/engineering=600 talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#dZ!1...1. actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp actions.precombat+=/frost_presence actions.precombat+=/horn_of_winter actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats actions.precombat+=/army_of_the_dead actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion actions.precombat+=/raise_dead # Cooldowns actions=auto_attack actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=target.time_to_die<=30|(target.time_to_die<=60&buff.pillar_of_frost.up) actions+=/use_item,name=gauntlets_of_the_lost_catacomb,if=frost>=1|death>=1 actions+=/blood_fury,if=time>=10 actions+=/pillar_of_frost actions+=/raise_dead # Diseases for Free actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<1|dot.frost_fever.remains<1) actions+=/outbreak,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_plague.ticking actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(!dot.frost_fever.ticking|!dot.blood_plague.ticking) # Soul Reaper actions+=/soul_reaper,if=target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=35 # Diseases for Runes actions+=/howling_blast,if=!dot.frost_fever.ticking actions+=/plague_strike,if=!dot.blood_plague.ticking # Rime actions+=/howling_blast,if=buff.rime.react # Killing Machine actions+=/obliterate,if=buff.killing_machine.react actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.killing_machine.react # Don't Waste Runic Power actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>76 actions+=/frost_strike,if=runic_power>76 # Keep Runes on Cooldown actions+=/obliterate,if=(blood=2|frost=2|unholy=2) # Refresh Diseases actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&(dot.blood_plague.remains<3|dot.frost_fever.remains<3) actions+=/outbreak,if=dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3 actions+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3) # Regen Resources actions+=/horn_of_winter actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_empowerment.enabled&frost=0&(death>0|unholy>0) actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack<=10 actions+=/frost_strike,if=talent.runic_corruption.enabled&buff.runic_corruption.down # Normal Stuff actions+=/obliterate actions+=/empower_rune_weapon,if=target.time_to_die<=60&buff.mogu_power_potion.up actions+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>=20 actions+=/frost_strike # Better than Waiting actions+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled actions+=/empower_rune_weapon head=helmet_of_the_lost_catacomb,id=86915,gems=reverberating_primal_80str_160hit_180str,reforge=hit_haste neck=shackle_of_eversparks,id=90508,reforge=hit_haste shoulders=shoulderpads_of_misshapen_life,id=86986,gems=80str_160haste_60str,enchant=200str_100crit,reforge=mastery_haste back=hiseks_chrysanthemum_cape,id=86945,enchant=180crit chest=breastplate_of_the_lost_catacomb,id=86913,gems=320haste_320haste_120crit,enchant=80all wrists=bracers_of_defiled_earth,id=90506,enchant=180str,reforge=hit_haste hands=gauntlets_of_the_lost_catacomb,id=86914,enchant=170str,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii,reforge=crit_haste waist=waistplate_of_overwhelming_assault,id=86955,gems=320haste_80str_160hit_160str_120haste,reforge=mastery_crit legs=greaves_of_the_lost_catacomb,id=86916,gems=80str_160haste_60str,enchant=285str_165crit,reforge=mastery_haste feet=impaling_treads,id=86979,gems=320haste_60hit,enchant=175haste,reforge=hit_crit finger1=ring_of_the_bladed_tempest,id=86957,enchant=160str finger2=dread_shadow_ring,id=87158,enchant=160str,reforge=hit_haste trinket1=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 trinket2=lei_shin's_final_orders,id=87072 main_hand=shinka_execution_of_dominion,id=87176,gems=500str,enchant=rune_of_the_fallen_crusader,reforge=mastery_haste

It's also a 250dps increase for DW.

Tyhma · 11/20/12, 4:30 AM

Trinket information have always been wrong in the OP, because the tooltips use to evaluate them are wrong.

Using OP's SW for both spec, but with the right stats amount, I'm ending up with these ranking :

2H

1 Lei'Shi's final Orders HM
2 Darkmist Vortex HM
3 Lei'Shi's final Orders
4 Relic of Xuen
5 Darkmist Vortex
6 Lei'Shi's final Orders LFR
7 Darkmist Vortex LFR
8 Iron Belly Wok
8 Jade Charioteer Figurine
10 Malevolent Gladiator Insignia of Victory
11 Lesson of the Darkmaster
12 Carbonic Carbuncle

DW

1 Lei'Shi's final Orders HM
2 Relic of Xuen
3 Darkmist Vortex HM
4 Lei'Shi's final Orders
5 Darkmist Vortex
6 Lei'Shi's final Orders LFR
7 Malevolent Gladiator Insignia of Victory
8 Darkmist Vortex LFR
9 Iron Belly Wok
9 Jade Charioteer Figurine
11 Lesson of the Darkmaster
12 Carbonic Carbuncle

7alisman · 11/21/12, 1:25 PM

I have found that in the latest version of simcraft, the value of haste for DW with 2pc bonus seems to skyrocket in relative terms to mastery. According to the simulations, mastery doesn't outweigh haste until 4 mobs are present, which seems a little out of whack with what I am seeing in game.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is this simply due to how it is valuing the 2pc, or perhaps is mastery stacking not quite as valuable as last expansion? I noticed there seems to be points of convergence around 3400 haste and 4800 haste where their values are almost identical.

mendenbarr · 11/21/12, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by 7alisman

I have found that in the latest version of simcraft, the value of haste for DW with 2pc bonus seems to skyrocket in relative terms to mastery. According to the simulations, mastery doesn't outweigh haste until 4 mobs are present, which seems a little out of whack with what I am seeing in game.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is this simply due to how it is valuing the 2pc, or perhaps is mastery stacking not quite as valuable as last expansion? I noticed there seems to be points of convergence around 3400 haste and 4800 haste where their values are almost identical.

After re-running my sims with the latest version, with 4600 haste, 2600 crit, and 4800 haste (my current gear, which includes a 2-set), I have haste and mastery at (nearly) equal ratings single target. 1.42 for mastery and 1.41 for haste, 50k iteration. I'd run plots for the stats, but my computer is not exactly powerful and I don't have 4 hours to run a sim.
However, it seems evident that the values of haste and mastery could perhaps switch for some gear setups, reaffirming the fact that you should run your own sims. I'd be interested in seeing the results if someone else did run plots.

kend7510 · 11/23/12, 1:50 PM

I'm observing this for 2H Frost and am hoping someone would explain:

http://i.imgur.com/Gedtw.jpg

Why is it that haste value spikes at 6400, diminishes after 6600, then spikes shortly again at 8000? Our global cooldown are all 1 second and I can't see how this would be affected. Been scratching my head for hours and still can't figure out how this sweet spot came to be....

I have no set bonus and do not have runic corruption.