Advanced Death Knight Tactics & Festerblight - Page 5

mendenbarr · 03/13/13, 3:11 PM

New proc rates:

Strength DPS
- Brutal Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault - 15% chance on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. 75 sec ICD.
- Fabled Feather of Ji-Kun - 0.616 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. 22 sec ICD.
- Primordius’ Talisman of Rage – 3.30 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.
- Spark of Zandalar - 5.50 RealPPM on landing harmful abilities and spells, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.
- Gaze of the Twins – 0.825*(1+MeleeCritChance) RealPPM on critical harmful abilities and spells, periodic spell, and melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.

New forumla:
(BaseRPPM * HasteModifier * TimeSinceLastProcChance / 60) * MAX(1, 1 + ((TimeSinceLastSuccessfulProc/(60 / (BaseRPPM * HasteModifier))) - 1.5)*3) = % chance to proc.

Some conclusions:
The "Max" clause in the formula means that the proc chance wil never be lower than before, only higher. Let's take a closer look at it:
MAX(1, 1 + ((TimeSinceLastSuccessfulProc/(60 / (BaseRPPM * HasteModifier))) - 1.5)*3);
If we replace (TimeSinceLastSuccessfulProc/(60 / (BaseRPPM * HasteModifier))) with X, we can find the ratio at which the chance starts to increase.
1 + (x - 1.5) * 3 = 1
x = 1.5

So when (TimeSinceLastSuccessfulProc/AverageProcInterval) aka (TimeSinceLastSuccessfulProc/(60 / (BaseRPPM * HasteModifier))) is equal to or less than 1.5, the proc rate is the same as before, and as it gets higher than 1.5, the proc rate increases pretty quickly.

So, with a proc interval of 60 seconds, the proc chance gets the boost as soon as you go 90 seconds without a proc, and with a proc interval of 30 seconds, it will be boosted 45 seconds after you see a proc.

Let's take a look at the SILLY 1000 second cap on TimeSinceLastSuccessfulProc, with the lowest rppm trinket dks have, feather.
Assuming 50% haste for simplicity's sake:

(0.616 * 1.5 * 10 / 60) * MAX(1, 1 + ((1000/(60 / (0.616 * 1.5))) - 1.5)*3) = % chance to proc.
0.154 * 42.7 = 657%
Wait, what?
Yea, with capped TimeSinceLastSuccessfulProc, feather has a 657% chance to proc on the first hit. Let's see how long you have to wait for 100% chance.

(0.616 * 1.5 * 10 / 60) * MAX(1, 1 + ((x/(60 / (0.616 * 1.5))) - 1.5)*3) = 1
x = 216.30966436161235 seconds.

So, if you wait 3.6 minutes in between pulls, every trinket is guaranteed to proc on the first hit. However, the "high" proc chance, ICD model of trinkets had a proc chance closer to 15%, and still reliably procced on the pull every single time, so let's see how long you need to wait for that.

(0.616 * 1.5 * 1 / 60) * MAX(1, 1 + ((x/(60 / (0.616 * 1.5))) - 1.5)*3) = .1
x = 213.19480519480512
The first hit would have a 96% chance to proc the trinket, but hen time since last proc chance would reset to 0, and every hit thereafter would have a 10% chance to proc the trinket.

The golden amount of time to wait in-between pulls seems to 3 minutes, but when looking at running back, eating food, buffing, getting in postion, and the fact that the timer starts on your last proc, and not at the end of combat, it doesn't look like you'll often need to wait for trinket procs.

This is significantly lower for higher rppm trinkets like rage and gaze and spark.

The trinket rankings are coming soon, changes being coded into simC right now.

Hamhammer · 03/14/13, 4:14 AM

Okay, before anybody jumps down my neck about DW Unholy being dead...

Has anyone modeled / given thought to an unholy DK putting Cinderglacier and Fallen Crusader on two weapons, starting the fight with both equipped, waiting for procs, then applying diseases with the procs, swapping back to a 2Her and then entering the normal Festerblight rotation? As far as I can tell, the damage bonus applied by Cinderglacier functions for the entire duration of the DoT... and I have a hunch that +20% disease damage for the duration of a fight is worth the lost weapon strike damage during the first few seconds of the encounter it takes to get all the procs rolling.

I'm going to go toy with Simcraft and see if I can get it to do what I want, but I thought I'd throw the idea out there and let the more mathematically inclined poke at it.

mendenbarr · 03/17/13, 7:54 PM

Originally Posted by Hamhammer

Okay, before anybody jumps down my neck about DW Unholy being dead...

Has anyone modeled / given thought to an unholy DK putting Cinderglacier and Fallen Crusader on two weapons, starting the fight with both equipped, waiting for procs, then applying diseases with the procs, swapping back to a 2Her and then entering the normal Festerblight rotation? As far as I can tell, the damage bonus applied by Cinderglacier functions for the entire duration of the DoT... and I have a hunch that +20% disease damage for the duration of a fight is worth the lost weapon strike damage during the first few seconds of the encounter it takes to get all the procs rolling.

I'm going to go toy with Simcraft and see if I can get it to do what I want, but I thought I'd throw the idea out there and let the more mathematically inclined poke at it.

That's a really solid idea, I'm looking into it. Also considering using a 2hander with CG, then swapping to FC on the pull, but I'm not sure how to wep swap with simC.

My current FB sim has 25k dps from BP, and 17.5k from FF (in BiS gear), so 42.5k total, *1.2 = 51k total, for a gain of 8.5k dps through the fight. I'm pretty sure that would be worth weaker SSs for the first 20 seconds of the fight, but I'll look into it further.

Edit: looked into, while the gain is pretty huge, I could not reliably get RotFC and CG, as well as two trinkets and everything else up at the same time, so I'm giving up on this for the time being. If anyone has any more information on the subject, feel free to bring it up.

mendenbarr · 03/20/13, 4:41 AM

Unholy double trinket profile:

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trinket1=brutal_talisman_of_the_shadopan_assault,id=94508,gems=1467crit trinket2=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 copy=Shadopan/HFeather trinket1=brutal_talisman_of_the_shadopan_assault,id=94508,gems=1467crit trinket2=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit copy=Shadopan/Relic2 trinket1=brutal_talisman_of_the_shadopan_assault,id=94508,gems=1467crit trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 copy=Shadopan/Relic trinket1=brutal_talisman_of_the_shadopan_assault,id=94508,gems=1467crit trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 copy=Shadopan/HLSFO2 trinket1=brutal_talisman_of_the_shadopan_assault,id=94508,gems=1467crit trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=Shadopan/HLSFO trinket1=brutal_talisman_of_the_shadopan_assault,id=94508,gems=1467crit trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=Shadopan/HDMV2 trinket1=brutal_talisman_of_the_shadopan_assault,id=94508,gems=1467crit trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=Shadopan/HDMV trinket1=brutal_talisman_of_the_shadopan_assault,id=94508,gems=1467crit trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=LFRSpark/LFRRage trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste copy=LFRSpark/LFRGaze trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 copy=LFRSpark/LFRFeather trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit copy=LFRSpark/HRage trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste copy=LFRSpark/HGaze trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 copy=LFRSpark/HFeather trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit copy=LFRSpark/Relic2 trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 copy=LFRSpark/Relic trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 copy=LFRSpark/HLSFO2 trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=LFRSpark/HLSFO trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=LFRSpark/HDMV2 trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=LFRSpark/HDMV trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=95654 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=LFRRage/LFRGaze trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 copy=LFRRage/LFRFeather trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit copy=LFRRage/HSpark trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 copy=LFRRage/HGaze trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 copy=LFRRage/HFeather trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit copy=LFRRage/Relic2 trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 copy=LFRRage/Relic trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 copy=LFRRage/HLSFO2 trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=LFRRage/HLSFO trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=LFRRage/HDMV2 trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=LFRRage/HDMV trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=95757,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=LFRGaze/LFRFeather trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 trinket2=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit copy=LFRGaze/HSpark trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 trinket2=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 copy=LFRGaze/HRage trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 trinket2=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste copy=LFRGaze/HFeather trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 trinket2=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit copy=LFRGaze/Relic2 trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 copy=LFRGaze/Relic trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 copy=LFRGaze/HLSFO2 trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=LFRGaze/HLSFO trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=LFRGaze/HDMV2 trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=LFRGaze/HDMV trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=95799 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=LFRFeather/Hspark trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit trinket2=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 copy=LFRFeather/HRage trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit trinket2=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste copy=LFRFeather/HGaze trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit trinket2=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 copy=LFRFeather/Relic2 trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 copy=LFRFeather/Relic trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 copy=LFRFeather/HLSFO2 trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=LFRFeather/HLSFO trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=LFRFeather/HDMV2 trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=LFRFeather/HDMV trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=95726,gems=1218crit trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=HSpark/HRage trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 trinket2=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste copy=HSpark/HGaze trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 trinket2=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 copy=HSpark/HFeather trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 trinket2=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit copy=HSpark/Relic2 trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 copy=HSpark/Relic trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 copy=HSpark/HLSFO2 trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=HSpark/HLSFO trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=HSpark/HDMV2 trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=HSpark/HDMV trinket1=spark_of_zandalar,id=96398 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=HRage/HGaze trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 copy=HRage/HFeather trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit copy=HRage/Relic2 trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 copy=HRage/Relic trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 copy=HRage/HLSFO2 trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=HRage/HLSFO trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=HRage/HDMV2 trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=HRage/HDMV trinket1=primordius_talisman_of_rage,id=96501,reforge=crit_haste trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=HGaze/HFeather trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 trinket2=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit copy=HGaze/Relic2 trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 copy=HGaze/Relic trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 copy=HGaze/HLSFO2 trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=HGaze/HLSFO trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=HGaze/HDMV2 trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=HGaze/HDMV trinket1=gaze_of_the_twins,id=96543 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=HFeather/Relic2 trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 copy=HFeather/Relic trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 copy=HFeather/HLSFO2 trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=HFeather/HLSFO trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=HFeather/HDMV2 trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=HFeather/HDMV trinket1=fabled_feather_of_jikun,id=96470,gems=1657crit trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=Relic2/HLSFO2 trinket1=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=Relic2/HLSFO trinket1=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=Relic2/HDMV2 trinket1=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=Relic2/HDMV trinket1=relic_of_xuen,id=79327,upgrade=2 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=Relic/HLSFO2 trinket1=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 copy=Relic/HLSFO trinket1=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 trinket2=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 copy=Relic/HDMV2 trinket1=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=Relic/HDMV trinket1=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=HLSFO2/HDMV2 trinket1=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=HLSFO2/HDMV trinket1=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072,upgrade=2 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 copy=HLSFO/HDMV2 trinket1=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172,upgrade=2 copy=HLSFO/HDMV trinket1=lei_shens_final_orders,id=87072 trinket2=darkmist_vortex,id=87172

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default_actions=1 #!./simc deathknight="Death_Knight_Unholy_T15H" level=90 race=orc role=attack position=back professions=blacksmithing=600/engineering=600 talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#db!2...0. spec=unholy # This default action priority list is automatically created based on your character. # It is a attempt to provide you with a action list that is both simple and practicable, # while resulting in a meaningful and good simulation. It may not result in the absolutely highest possible dps. # Feel free to edit, adapt and improve it to your own needs. # SimulationCraft is always looking for updates and improvements to the default action lists. # Executed before combat begins. Accepts non-harmful actions only. actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp actions.precombat+=/unholy_presence actions.precombat+=/horn_of_winter actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats actions.precombat+=/army_of_the_dead actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion actions.precombat+=/blood_fury actions.precombat+=/raise_dead # Executed every time the actor is available. actions=auto_attack actions+=/blood_fury,if=time>=2 actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=buff.dark_transformation.up&target.time_to_die<=35 actions+=/unholy_frenzy,if=time>=4 actions+=/use_item,name=gauntlets_of_the_allconsuming_maw,if=time>=4 actions+=/run_action_list,name=aoe,if=active_enemies>=5 actions+=/run_action_list,name=st,if=active_enemies<5 actions.aoe=unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled actions.aoe+=/plague_strike,if=!dot.blood_plague.ticking|!dot.frost_fever.ticking actions.aoe+=/pestilence,if=dot.blood_plague.ticking&talent.plague_leech.enabled,line_cd=28 actions.aoe+=/pestilence,if=dot.blood_plague.ticking&talent.unholy_blight.enabled&cooldown.unholy_blight.remains<49,line_cd=28 actions.aoe+=/summon_gargoyle actions.aoe+=/dark_transformation actions.aoe+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.shadow_infusion.stack=5 actions.aoe+=/blood_boil,if=blood=2|death=2 actions.aoe+=/death_and_decay,if=unholy=1 actions.aoe+=/soul_reaper,if=unholy=2&target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=45 actions.aoe+=/scourge_strike,if=unholy=2 actions.aoe+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10 actions.aoe+=/death_coil,if=runic_power>90|buff.sudden_doom.react|(buff.dark_transformation.down&rune.unholy<=1) actions.aoe+=/blood_boil actions.aoe+=/icy_touch,if=frost=1 actions.aoe+=/soul_reaper,if=unholy=1&target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=45 actions.aoe+=/scourge_strike,if=unholy=1 actions.aoe+=/death_coil actions.aoe+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled actions.aoe+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&unholy=1 actions.aoe+=/horn_of_winter actions.aoe+=/empower_rune_weapon actions.st=outbreak,if=stat.attack_power>(dot.blood_plague.attack_power+5000)&time>15&!(cooldown.unholy_blight.remains>49)&(buff.fabled_feather_of_jikun.stack=10|!buff.fabled_feather_of_jikun.up) actions.st+=/plague_strike,if=stat.attack_power>(dot.blood_plague.attack_power+5000)&time>15&!(cooldown.unholy_blight.remains>49) actions.st+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>10&runic_power>=32 actions.st+=/unholy_blight,if=talent.unholy_blight.enabled&(dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3) actions.st+=/outbreak,if=dot.frost_fever.remains<3|dot.blood_plague.remains<3 actions.st+=/soul_reaper,if=target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=45 actions.st+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&(target.health.pct-3*(target.health.pct%target.time_to_die)<=45&cooldown.soul_reaper.remains=0) actions.st+=/plague_strike,if=!dot.blood_plague.ticking|!dot.frost_fever.ticking actions.st+=/summon_gargoyle actions.st+=/dark_transformation actions.st+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.shadow_infusion.stack=5 actions.st+=/death_coil,if=runic_power>90 actions.st+=/death_and_decay,if=unholy=2 actions.st+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&unholy=2&cooldown.death_and_decay.remains=0 actions.st+=/scourge_strike,if=unholy=2 actions.st+=/festering_strike,if=blood=2&frost=2 actions.st+=/death_and_decay actions.st+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&cooldown.death_and_decay.remains=0 actions.st+=/death_coil,if=buff.sudden_doom.react|(buff.dark_transformation.down&rune.unholy<=1) actions.st+=/scourge_strike actions.st+=/plague_leech,if=talent.plague_leech.enabled&cooldown.outbreak.remains<1 actions.st+=/festering_strike actions.st+=/horn_of_winter actions.st+=/death_coil,if=buff.dark_transformation.down|(cooldown.summon_gargoyle.remains>8&buff.dark_transformation.remains>8) actions.st+=/blood_tap,if=talent.blood_tap.enabled&buff.blood_charge.stack>=8 actions.st+=/empower_rune_weapon head=crown_of_the_golden_golem,id=96522,gems=capacitive_primal_80str_160haste_180str neck=amulet_of_the_primal_turtle,id=96429,gems=160str,reforge=hit_haste shoulders=pauldrons_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96573,gems=160str_80str_160haste_120crit,enchant=200str_100crit,reforge=exp_haste back=yellow_dawn_lightningcloak,id=95017,gems=80str_160haste_60haste,enchant=180crit chest=breastplate_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96569,gems=160str_160str_160str_180str,enchant=80all,reforge=exp_crit wrists=caustic_spike_bracers,id=96476,suffix=340,gems=80str_160haste_160str_60str,enchant=180str hands=gauntlets_of_the_allconsuming_maw,id=96570,gems=160str_160str_60str,enchant=170str,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii,reforge=hit_haste 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fangless · 03/20/13, 10:29 AM

For Disease AP rolling, how do pestilence/roiling blood interact with the AP value for diseases? Do they re-snap when you use pestilence, or does it take the original AP level and spread it?

To that point, how do damage buff mechanics in fight interact with Festerblight (Jinrohk pool, Horridon/Tortos increased damage debuffs)? Do the diseases only get increased damage while those debuffs (or buffs) are present, or can you start a new set of diseases rolling with the increased damage?

Trying to get a good handle on if it's possible to spread diseases that are buffed up by fight mechanics to other adds, etc.

huntcaudata · 03/20/13, 10:37 AM

Pestilence and RB snapshot your stats when cast for NEW diseases. This means Roiling Blood is a pretty bad choice for festerblight, unless you're fantasticly confident in your positioning.

Jin'Rohk pools are snapshot for disease casts. This is a double-edged sword as it means you can get pool-buffed diseases rolling the entire fight, but you won't have a pre-pot or well lined up trinkets for the first pool, so you need to deal with that somehow.

Tortos and Horridon buffs I'm not sure of.

mendenbarr · 03/20/13, 1:33 PM

Buffs, most notably the conductive water and the primal nutrients on the dual Jin fights, snapshot for diseases.
Debuffs, such as horridons and tortos, scale dynamically. Diseases do not need to be reapplied in this case.

fangless · 03/21/13, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by mendenbarr

Buffs, most notably the conductive water and the primal nutrients on the dual Jin fights, snapshot for diseases.
Debuffs, such as horridons and tortos, scale dynamically. Diseases do not need to be reapplied in this case.

But the increased damage from Horridon's debuff doesn't carry over if you spread them to his adds, correct?

Working on the fight right now on Heroic (and soon Tortos), and trying to work on formulating how to optimize Unholy's damage in that regards. Frost seems to do well, but boss damage while fighting adds is not nearly as good as Unholy's rolling of powered diseases the whole time, while also AOE'ing adds.

Dossou · 03/21/13, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by mendenbarr

Buffs, most notably the conductive water and the primal nutrients on the dual Jin fights, snapshot for diseases.
Debuffs, such as horridons and tortos, scale dynamically. Diseases do not need to be reapplied in this case.

Something else to note, Gargoyle, Ghoul, and 2 Piece T15 Trolls do NOT scale with the Primal Nutrient Buff on Ji'kun. During the buff my highest Gargoyle strike was just under 200k with a Feather+Shadopan proc, which is the same as it is in my opener as Unholy. Diseases do however snapshot, but I still doubt this makes Festerblight worth it considering you won't be able to keep diseases on the boss if you're going to platforms.

Because of this I think Frost 2H is the optimal spec for Ji'kun H, because you can line Feed Young up with Pillar depending on what group you're in. (I'm in the 4th group, and the way we set it up, I can get 3 Nutrients before our next platform.)

mendenbarr · 04/01/13, 8:13 PM

Simmed work of TF non-tier versus tier, for all specs, tier came out ahead by between 1% and 2% single target, and TF won out by 1% for frost and 0.25% for unholy on a full length fight with 8 targets up.
Note: TF non-tier were simulated by adding 8 ilevels to the existing tier. A more precise sim could be made by actually changing the gear to the non-TF options, and reforging the whole set, but I have difficulty reforging sets of gear I don't actually have accurately. The two extra ilevels should be offset by the lack of potential gem sockets and more favorable stats

% is the GAIN of tier for ST and the LOSS of tier for AE

	DW	2-hand	Unholy
ST	1%	2%	1%
AE	1%	1%	0.25%

Lamperouqe · 04/05/13, 8:42 AM

It seems that there is a bug on Durumu which makes pestilence jump from the boss to the ice walls/wandering eyes and back to the boss, rewriting the strengthened diseases applied at the start of the fight. It seems to occur around 10% of the time when you pestilence, making FB a gamble on the boss. Other DK's have told me about this happening to them as well. If you have banked a very high duration on your diseases and this happens it's going to be quite a big loss.
Here's the bug shown on the combat log.

Dossou · 04/05/13, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Lamperouqe

It seems that there is a bug on Durumu which makes pestilence jump from the boss to the ice walls/wandering eyes and back to the boss, rewriting the strengthened diseases applied at the start of the fight. It seems to occur around 10% of the time when you pestilence, making FB a gamble on the boss. Other DK's have told me about this happening to them as well. If you have banked a very high duration on your diseases and this happens it's going to be quite a big loss.
Here's the bug shown on the combat log.

Yeah this was happening to me randomly and I'm was never sure if it was personal error or a bug. Thanks for clarifying.

PapaBoss · 04/05/13, 9:20 PM

I think that there is one additional time that PL is optimal to use, it may be obvious and as such, not mentioned in this thread as it is for advanced tactics but I feel it is safe to mention.

When, and god forbid, you don't have a rime proc between an outbreak and FF falling off then you should PL <3 sec left on both diseases. This way you generate a death rune and then quickly decide which rune will be off CD next. If an unholy rune will be off next, then spend the death rune on HB and wait a moment to PS. If however a frost rune is off next, then you should PS with the death rune and wait a moment to HB. Finally, if a death rune is off CD next, then HB first and then PS. This should make it so you are resource starved for the least amount of time if you are stuck in a rut with horrible luck on your rime procs.

I hope I expressed this clearly and easy to understand.

Dossou · 04/06/13, 4:54 AM

Originally Posted by PapaBoss

I think that there is one additional time that PL is optimal to use, it may be obvious and as such, not mentioned in this thread as it is for advanced tactics but I feel it is safe to mention.

When, and god forbid, you don't have a rime proc between an outbreak and FF falling off then you should PL <3 sec left on both diseases. This way you generate a death rune and then quickly decide which rune will be off CD next. If an unholy rune will be off next, then spend the death rune on HB and wait a moment to PS. If however a frost rune is off next, then you should PS with the death rune and wait a moment to HB. Finally, if a death rune is off CD next, then HB first and then PS. This should make it so you are resource starved for the least amount of time if you are stuck in a rut with horrible luck on your rime procs.

I hope I expressed this clearly and easy to understand.

This isn't a DPS increase. All it really does is add a 2 extra GCDs to your rotation making it feel like a DPS increase when in reality it's not. It's net 0 DPS for DW and a DPS loss for 2H to do this.

Deficator · 04/06/13, 4:15 PM

My guild just downed Heroic Tortos and one thing I found to make getting my shield up quick easier is to use this macro:

/cast [@Humming Crystal] Chains of Ice
/targetlasttarget

Chains of Ice can hit any target regardless of which direction you're facing which can make it easier if you're dpsing tortos and you're shield falls off.