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Old 03/11/13, 10:39 AM   #31
Kaxxy
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Got thunderforged spark of zandalar last night, and was wondering whether to get rid of lei shens or Darkmist, both hc and fully upgraded

Atm i'm using lei shen's with it seeing as i'm not too big of a fan of the haste proc on darkmist, but was wondering if anyone had any input on it, cheers!

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Old 03/17/13, 3:32 AM   #32
Houndsto0th
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Based on current information about heroic encounters, is there a "health ceiling" that you would get to, and start moving your stat priority to mastery as a blood tank? If heroic lei Shen is hitting for roughly 170k (theoretical number just to conceptualize around) every 2 seconds, would you shoot for 800k to be able to live through 5 hits in worst case, nearly impossible situations?

I read the blood tanking post (very awesome place to begin understanding Blood theory, thank you). It seems that even when you get to the theoretical health ceiling that there would be no reason to stop stacking staming as it effectively makes each hit taken relatively smaller and smooths out healing on a tank, but I'm new so maybe there's a part of the theory here I missed

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Old 03/17/13, 5:56 AM   #33
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5 hits or 8 seconds in this case would already be long enough that you are in no danger of dying and you could swap some stamina into mastery if you wanted - but you don't have to. If you can survive that long without any healing or any ability usage at all you are as safe as you can be so you are basically worrying about situations you should have no problems in to begin with.

The only time there could be something as "stacking too much stamina" is when it would actively hurt your survivability (maybe if there was a boss that exclusively did max health % based damage like Baleroc or something ridiculous).

From what I have seen in ToT so far, there are quite a few bosses with stacking debuffs that make you take increased damage from their special. Having enough stamina to take x stacks without CDing through them is actually quite nice and keep in mind that stamina also allows you take more damage before you Death Strike for a bigger Blood Shield.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying mastery is bad but all these casted physical damage hits like Talon Rake do put us at a disadvantage since we cannot always ensure we have CDs up for them (they happen too often) or have a Blood Shield up in advance so having a bigger health pool to actually soak the hit does help.


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Old 03/27/13, 1:03 AM   #34
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I haven't been playing a whole lot lately; the last time I was really waist deep in the game was probably t12. And it just recently occurred to me that perhaps my understanding of some of mechanics have changed, specifically, regarding pets.

Temporary pets now scale dynamically, right? They no longer take snapshots? Or is that only some pets, or am I completely mistaken? So specifically waiting for all my procs might not always be the best idea if say I currently have Heroism?

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Old 03/27/13, 12:09 PM   #35
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Anti-Magic Zone and H-Jin'rokh

I was just curious if anyone knew if Anti-Magic Zone for a dk will prevent the Ionization from Heroic Jin'rokh from being applied?

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Old 03/27/13, 1:58 PM   #36
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Originally Posted by Devloc View Post
I haven't been playing a whole lot lately; the last time I was really waist deep in the game was probably t12. And it just recently occurred to me that perhaps my understanding of some of mechanics have changed, specifically, regarding pets.

Temporary pets now scale dynamically, right? They no longer take snapshots? Or is that only some pets, or am I completely mistaken? So specifically waiting for all my procs might not always be the best idea if say I currently have Heroism?


All pets should dynamically scale with their master's stats now, but recent testing is showing that it is not instantaneous. It looks like they take about half a second to "update".



Originally Posted by Zelidar View Post
I was just curious if anyone knew if Anti-Magic Zone for a dk will prevent the Ionization from Heroic Jin'rokh from being applied?

AMZ does not prevent any debuffs, if it did, it would be the most overpowered ability in the game.

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Old 03/27/13, 2:37 PM   #37
Finda
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Hello.
Havent seen any discussion about it so here is the question:
Is it still possible to make gargoyle perfoming extra attack, as it was in Cata?
If so then what is the current haste breakpoint for it, given that we have frenzy? And also what is the breakpoint without frenzy?

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Old 03/27/13, 3:03 PM   #38
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Unholy Frenzy increases melee haste, and gary scales with spell haste, so unholy frenzy does not change gary's cast speed or number of hits.

The on-going discussion on gary's haste breakpoints can be found here, in the unholy thread.

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Old 03/28/13, 5:49 PM   #39
Kordan
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Hey guys! I've got a question about festerblight and pestilence.

Am I right saying that pestilence doesn't copy diseases applied earlier, instead applying new ones, based on your stats at that very moment of using pestilence?

I aslo wander: why should I use as many festering strikes as possible at the start of the fight, less during it.

Thanks a lot for your theorycrafting! :>

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Old 03/28/13, 6:56 PM   #40
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Please check the advance tactics thread because it'll answer both questions in more detail.

Yes - pestilence snapshots stats on any targets you spread to.
You should prefer festering strike during low damage requirement periods and when buffs are down, or when you are rune capped, and you should prefer scourge strike during burst needs or when procs are up.

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Old 03/29/13, 1:26 AM   #41
ryuplaneswalker
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So question, how much of a difference is there between festerblight and normal rotation if you are smart about it and do your best to reapply diseases with plague strike when everything is lined up properly

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Old 03/30/13, 3:56 AM   #42
Kordan
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Originally Posted by huntcaudata View Post
Please check the advance tactics thread because it'll answer both questions in more detail.

Yes - pestilence snapshots stats on any targets you spread to.
You should prefer festering strike during low damage requirement periods and when buffs are down, or when you are rune capped, and you should prefer scourge strike during burst needs or when procs are up.
Thx a lot, I did check it but din't find the answer . It snapshots my current stats, right? Not that very stats of dots I applied earlier on the 1st target?

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Old 03/30/13, 4:02 AM   #43
Kordan
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Originally Posted by ryuplaneswalker View Post
So question, how much of a difference is there between festerblight and normal rotation if you are smart about it and do your best to reapply diseases with plague strike when everything is lined up properly
It very, very huge! Since I got my feather I increased my damage thousandfold, and actually traditional unholy doesn't differ much.

I also think about changing my reforging priority since now it's more than 40% of my damage = magical one. Haste - mastery - crit should be profitable now, what do you think about it?

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Old 03/30/13, 4:10 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by ryuplaneswalker View Post
So question, how much of a difference is there between festerblight and normal rotation if you are smart about it and do your best to reapply diseases with plague strike when everything is lined up properly
About 5%, or 10% if you get a tricks, if the sims can be believed.


Originally Posted by Kordan View Post
Thx a lot, I did check it but din't find the answer . It snapshots my current stats, right? Not that very stats of dots I applied earlier on the 1st target?
I don't believe I've got it anywhere in the advanced guide, but yes, pestilence counts as a fresh application for diseases, and the damage they get comes from your AP at the time of the pestilence, not the AP of your existing dots.


Originally Posted by Kordan View Post
I also think about changing my reforging priority since now it's more than 40% of my damage = magical one. Haste - mastery - crit should be profitable now, what do you think about it?


Only half of your disease damage benefits from mastery! Darn frost fever. Both diseases benefit from crit though, so there is no reason to change up the gearing stat weights from normal unholy.

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Old 03/31/13, 5:11 AM   #45
Kordan
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Originally Posted by mendenbarr View Post
About 5%, or 10% if you get a tricks, if the sims can be believed.


I don't believe I've got it anywhere in the advanced guide, but yes, pestilence counts as a fresh application for diseases, and the damage they get comes from your AP at the time of the pestilence, not the AP of your existing dots.


Only half of your disease damage benefits from mastery! Darn frost fever. Both diseases benefit from crit though, so there is no reason to change up the gearing stat weights from normal unholy.
But what about Death coil + partly Scourge strike + Garg + Blood plague + Soul reaper + Death and decay sometimes or boil? Some dk's say mastery is much more reliable with festerblight, especially in short fights. Aslo noticing 4th part of T15 set bonus.

By the way: an amont of loot with crit stat is scarce, while you can get 8000+ mastery by reforging. Don't you think this priority might depend on loot table?

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