I am really not sur UB is boost by crypt fever, it make no sense since UB isn't a disease.
I think more the 30% increase damage come from the increase of AP scale made the confusion.

Someone can test on a puppet ?

Store 100 RP, change puppet and just let UB make damage without hitting the puppet (leaving it without crypt fever).
Then, do it again with crypt fever on the puppet and compare both dps.

At the same time, check combat log (not addon or else which can have mistake) to see if it can critic or not.

I think it won't be increase by crypt fever and won't critic but like that we'll be sur of it.

Just tested this again to make sure it is still the case. Both death & decay and unholy blight are affected by crypt fever.

86dmg with nothing, 139 with fever, ebon. 86*1.3*1.1*1.13 = 138.96

Did some quick combos and found that the highest damage output in a 4.5 second window (3 GcD's) is most likely PS->IT->SS and if you have one more cooldown DC. This is obviously for an Unholy spec and not so obviously includes desecration.

It's either the circle, or the center of the hitbox. I've noticed this previously as well on several other bosses including Thaddius and Malygos. When UB was still a disease affecting SS, this was quite a noticeable issue.

Right but going onto a mob and going oblit oblit (or ss) only works if you are going to be having travel time to the next mob to get those runes back, it may be better to be doing less to the first target if it means that all your runes aren't all on CD for target two. Still a situation like this is so rare that it may not even be worth discussing. Only real place where this could come up is in 5s when you deathgrip someone to your team and want to have the absolute most burst before their healer gets his heal off. Any kind of outlast pvp you will be putting your diseases up unless you are having issues with them getting dispelled.

Not sure how this is an issue on thaddius, you do not need to dps from max range to not zap the other group, infact ideally you will be the closest you can to the other group without zapping them. That distance is definitely within 10 yards of the center of his hitbox let alone the outside of the circle. The radius of the zap is only 10 yards so you have an extra 10 yard worth of playing room.

You made this test with how many AP ?

Does it get critical hit ?

No it doesn't critical. How much ap I had is irrelevant, I was only testing that it was affected by crypt fever. It definitely 100% cannot crit. If you see something on sct that sort of looks like a UB crit it was probably a BCB proc.

The group I used to pug with insisted on melee DPSing from max range while stacking with the ranged for maximum buffs, so I found out that way. *shrug* Nevertheless, the point does stand that on any fight where you may have to DPS from max melee range, you might lose the effect of Unholy Blight.

it is really relevant, we think Ap coeff base is 1.3, but it could still be 1 and the +0.3 went from crypt fever.
Only one site said the coefficient was bump to 1.3, it worth to make a verification.

If someone else wants to test the AP coefficient again they can go ahead I am not going to, and it had nothing to do with the tests I ran. I agree that it is possible it is still 1.0 and some one just though crypt fever didn't affect it.

it's senseless testing if crypt fever increase UB damage if you aren't even sur which is the base coefficient take by UB.
Even more with the "supposed" up of AP coefficient is exactly the same as crypt fever.

If i hade a beta key i could make the test myself but that is not the case, someone can run the test ?

Does parry haste count as a "Haste Effect" as far as Heart Strike is concerned? I've lurked in this thread for a while and don't remember any mention of this before.

It seems to me that as long as at least one Blood DK was in the raid, whatever DK is tanking (be it the Blood DK himself or some other DK) would be free to DW tank and reap the benefits of two tanking one-handers.

Stroke doesn't really work as advertised, not really sure how it's working right now. It feels like it doesn't do anything at all in PvE, and in PvP it feels like it's applying a Tongues and super Thunderclap. I haven't done any extensive testing on it.

Shouldn't affect casting unless except for bloodlust. Probalby IV too. Parry haste isn't normal haste. It resets the swing timer, it doesn't speed it up.

How much AP he had and the magnitude of the coefficient are completely irrelevant to his test. He tested how much damage it did with no relevant talents (86), then how much it did with crypt fever, ebon plague, and rage of rivendare talented (139). The two results matched perfectly with crypt fever being applied to UB's damage, and the testing was performed in a manner that made attack power utterly irrelevant, as it was the same at all points of the test and none of the mentioned talents changed the coefficient.

Unholy Blight cannot crit, and hasn't been able to for several patches now, so the only possible conclusion we can draw is that CF affects UB.

After a parry the next autoattack is being done immediately, so basically yes it does speed up the swing timer and it also resets it since 1 attack is done immediately.
That's from what I understand at least.

He ran it without crypt/ebon/rage and it get 86 dmg per tick, it mean AP contribution would be 86-48=38

AP's Coefficient = 38*100/AP

If he had 3800 AP, coefficient is 1 and if he hade 2923 AP the coefficient is 1.3.

As has been mentioned, parry "haste" is such a drastically different mechanic that heart strike is rather unlikely to affect it, as Blizzard would have had to specifically go change the parry mechanic code, and it would be odd if they hadn't mentioned that large of an advantage to tanking by now. Now, with expertise gems available in WotLK, at some point it may be a tanking stat gain to replace other gems with expertise and switch to double tanking one-handers, and at the very least it will be viable at some point to hit the expertise cap - the main barrier is keeping uncrittable status, which requires a major focus on defense in gear and gems until gear upgrades can be obtained.

Of course, with the removal of crushing blows in raid tanking, there is the question of whether an avoidance tank like DKs are looking to end up being would take less average damage not bothering with reaching the expertise cap even when dual wielding and focusing on more avoidance, as parry haste will only be painful and not a potential to not only take extra damage, but to have back to back crushing blows suddenly... and if a single extra hit can kill the tank, the possibility will exist with a two-hander as well, and for every other tank. Just don't tell your healers/raid leaders that you're ignoring parry haste, even if you end up deciding that's the best path to take

Edit: it did just occur to me that modeling how much benefit we get from parrying a boss's attacks might influence the 2h/DW numbers for tanking as well, as getting parry haste favors slower, harder hitting attacks... not that the efforts to try to theory craft DKs need more complications added :P

After having read through all 132 pages (so much great info, and nice to see the evolution) I'm in the progress of making up my mind for an end-game and leveling build.

After some searching I'm confused about the 2 speed increase talents in Unholy. I was wondering if anyone on beta could tell me if Unholy Aura also increases mount speed, or if I really need On A Pale Horse for it?

Google searches give conflicting answers, and I'm having problems with the search on this forum, too many results with the world "unholy" in it I think.

i havent noticed any speed increase while mounted. Maybe it's just my own subjective opinion.
I can verfiy it @home in 2-3 hours.

Actually I had much less than 2923, but I had impurity. When I logged on today with horn up I have 2445 and UB is still hitting for 86 a tick.


99% sure unholy aura doesn't affect mount speed. The two school of thought with regards to leveling are go blood for max surviability/lowest downtime or go unholy for aoe and increased movement speed. Couldn't say which way is better.

I tried unholy and blood for leveling... and I found I had no downtime with unholy either. Plus, that was back when DK coefficients were all messed up, and the ghoul was almost half my damage. I've slowly been starting one a second time through and I still prefer unholy.