Pyros

About Butchery, I've found it useful for 5man tanking. It generates decent amount of RP since you actually kill a lot of trash, and it slows down RP decay between fights, which is very important if you tank as unholy(for blight). It's very nice for 5man dungeons, and I guess heroics later. For raiding, I doubt it, and I don't think you'd have so many free points as to waste them into a rather low RP generation improvement when it's already annoying enough trying to make set rotation that use all the RP you get without dropping blade barrier. Rune Strike might alleviate this issue though, when it's taken off the GCD. Still find it hard to fit in tanking builds, there's so many valuable low tier blood talents for threat generation that work much better than a deathcoil every 1min30.

For DPS... Well it's that or blade barrier, and bladebarrier is totally worthless when DPSing, so it's not really a choice anyway ^^.

 

Eishara

I think it's worth mentioning about Unholy now is that you'll generally not have any problem holding AoE threat so long as your group gives you the opportunity to properly debuff a pack. At the moment Death and Decay seems to count as disease damage which means if you can put Ebon Plague on all the mobs in a pack either through Pestilence or Unholy Blight you can nearly double the damage of the DnD ticks. Considering that DnD does 'extra threat' for it's damage, multiplied by Frost Presence's aggro modifier it makes for crazy amounts of AoE aggro.

 

Darkrenown

Ebon plauge affects all magic damage, which D&D of course is. Do you mean crypt fever?

Wasn't the base damage of IT buffed this patch? I don't remember if it was in the notes, but GC was talking about it before the patch.

Oblit is no longer affected by MoM, but the reason for the huge Oblit crits when it was was due to how the MoM bonus is applied. Rather than criting for 260% it would take your crit damage and multiply it by 1.6. E.g if your Oblit hit for 2000 it would crit for 4000 base. With MoM you might expect it'd be 2000 *2.6 = 5200, but it was actually (2000 * 2) *1.6 = 6400.

 

Eishara

Ebon Plague increases disease damage as well as the magic debuff, it has the effect from Crypt Fever rolled into it. What I am saying is that while Death and Decay is affected by the magic debuff, obviously, it also is increased by the disease damage increase component. Try it out if you're deep Unholy, cast DnD on something and then cast Plague Strike on them while it's active, the damage of the ticks will double.

 

Scraps

Something I noticed early on when grinding around in Tyr's hand, Butchery was returning 40 RP per kill on the elites. I don't recall if this is still working as of the latest build, but I was wondering if this was intentional, and if this is true for all elites.

 

Darkrenown

Oh ok, I see what you mean. I'd still reffer to the disease increasing part as Crypt fever though because that's where the effect comes from.

On an unrelated note, does anyone on Coldarra (EU) fancy crafting a set of Cobalt tanking gear and mailing it to Deathrenown? I'd like to try out tanking as a DK but a lack of gear is making it hard.

 

nevinera

Wrath of the Lich King - Death Knight - Unholy Skills
and
Icy Touch - Spell - World of Warcraft

both imply that Icy Touch has no cooldown - they're in error, right?
Did I miss them removing the cd?
It would have a major impact on the dps of deep frost..

 

Deathwing

I believe it was removed in the 8820 build. Great proponent for doing 2 frost strikes per 10s.

 

Pyros

I can setup some cobalt bars on gadget AH if you want, so you can find a smith to craft the set. Would need to decide on a time, what's your name ingame, I'll log my druid to check when you're on.

And yeah Icy Touch has no cd I think, it's not very useful though since you usually want to use your frost runes for howling blast once per rotation.

 

Deathwing

Sure it is(removal of Icy Touch cooldown). Icy Touch's damage isn't great, but it isn't bad either. The best part is the amount of RP you get per rune spent. As I mentioned above, it allows you to maintain at least 2 Frost Strikes per rotation. Except for the first one, that is. And after that, you still have extra RP to burn.

 

Pyros

Hmm unless you're talking of Death runes converted with blood of the north, it's better to howling blast. HB generates 20RP too, for a 1F cost, and 1U that would do shit for damage anyway and is rolled into HB damage. Even then, it does more damage than icy touch, same RP, and is a better GCD usage due to using up one of the shitty runes. Frost strikes are nice, but you still need to use double runes if you want to have GCDs for them. GCD usages make it so HB is always a better choice over icy touch, and it's also better damage(at least at entry levels of AP, scaling might change it in the end).

Now when you have your deathrunes from blood of the north, yeah it's better to icy touch than any other move.

 

Deathwing

Isn't HB 1U 1F? And on a 10s cooldown? I was mainly referring to using the death runes that Blood of the North generates. Yes, you should always use Howling Blast, but after that you have 2B/2D, 1U, and 1F left. As you mentioned, for GCD management, it's probably better to use Obliterate every other rotation so you can burn that extra RP eventually.

 

Scraps

I just noticed that Icy Talons (personal, not raid one) seems to be working properly, giving a full 20% haste buff when you apply Frost Fever to an enemy. I reset my talents, but didn't apply points into Icy Talons until I was fighting a mob with Frost Fever applied and each time I added a point my weapon speed went down. Can anyone else confirm this is working?

The Icy Talons tooltip is saying 3% and does not seem to scale which each successive talent point added, it just said 3% forever. If anything, I figured it should say 4/8/12/16/20%.

I might have screwed this up, can anyone else confirm this?

 

Pyros

Yeah it works fine, it's just the tooltip that's broken. I believe the tooltip reflects the Icy Touch speed reduction buff for some reason(so 3% since you have to put those 3points to get icy talons).

 

bitanga

changing subject for a bit. I am concerned with disease and cure system in PvP as unholy. There is big possibility that Virulence wasn't working properly, but it seems that classes that can remove disease they do it w/o problem(3/3 Virulence). I do believe that UB need some stacking debuff in order to help at least little bit. Or that or some effect that would make ppl avoid curing it. Or stacking debuff or some effect that will make em to think 2 times will they cure themself/friendly unit.

 

Darkrenown

That would be great, my DK is called "Deathrenown".

Is it just me, or is HB only hitting targets in a frontal cone rather than everyone in 10 yards around your target?

 

Buanna

Why? No one person can get rid of Unholy Blight faster than they keep acquiring it. It applies once a second and does damage upon application.

Boni and Bonii are not words.
Bonuses is.

 

Deathwing

WoW Forums -> Changes to Debuffs, Buffs, and Raid Stacking

Raid buff stacking and changes to current/planned raid buffs. Since Frigid Dreadplate isn't on that list, now a must have for any tanks?

 

Pyros

Frigid probably was forgotten, or is getting on the list along with scorpid sting and so on. Quoting the blue:
If testers find additional changes not documented, or additional changes that need to be made ("Hey, buff XYZ got left out of the plan!"), please post and we will investigate.


One thing I've noticed is, Icy touch is changing from a rather good debuff to a very common one(doesn't affect ranged and casting speed anymore), which I don't like. I guess it means it will be bumped to 20% base, but that means improved icy touch(or whatever, the tier1 talent) is going to be reworked. Not sure I like the change overall, having a spell cast time reduction that didn't rely on warlocks was nice. The other solutions are rather poor(rogue poison and arcane mage expensive debuff).

 

Ferrex

From WoW Forums -> Changes to Debuffs, Buffs, and Raid Stacking

Horn of Winter is presumably the DK version of SOE/GOA that was mentioned in previous Blue postings. No spell currently exists with that name, and the only other frost themed class (Mages) would have no use for it. I wonder why DK's are being set up to overlap with Enhancement Shamans so completely.

Also wondering where Acclimation fits into this new raid buffing scheme. Is it simply a more powerful version of Resist Auras/Totems?

 

bitanga

yeah but your frost fever will be lost untill you are on frost/death rune cd. Since UB counts as second disease it would be handy to get some stacking debuff ( like few builds ago ). Or that or to have some effect like unstable affliction is.

 

kriS411

Well, dont know if Totems/Auras are comparable with acclimation.

acclimation has a better fullstack, but totems/auras are always up.

sure its nice against heavy magic/ magic relying sources if you can suistain the fullstack all the time - but that isnt guaranteed.

 

Pyros

I think acclimatation would stack still, but they're probably gonna rework it so it adds less or something like that. On any fights with AE pulsing magic damage, it's already quite overpowered currently, 30% to proc with a duration of 20secs makes it quite easy to maintain in those situations, and it saves a LOT of healing for a rather low cost, especially since now frost doesn't suck. I don't think it'd go live that way, but again, it gives frost a nice perk(with unholy having ebonplaguebringer/amz and blood having hysteria/abom's str). Maybe too nice.

 

byron83

edit fail my reply was

 

kriS411

yeah, im really curious what they will do with frost, atm it is pretty overdone.

maybe everything normalizes due to the low attackpower coefficeint of HB, but currently it loks like a frost tank brings godly dps, whil granting 20% melee haste to the raid + 80 resistence from aura + 150 resistant from a acclimation fullstack.

so we have a tanking dps raid support - smells like its going to be nerfed.

*edit*
+ the still unknown spell "Horn of Winter" - sounds pretty much like frost to, so frost really goes in competition with enhancement shamans.