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Old 05/15/09, 11:39 AM   #1591
thumper242
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Human Death Knight
 
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Last night I tried out WoWwebstats for the first time on our second night in naxx and was shocked to find that White damage made up nearly a third of my overall damage.

51/0/20 is my spec.
Major Glyphs are [Glyph of Dancing Rune Weapon], [Glyph of Dark Death], and [Glyph of Death Strike]
Minor are [Glyph of Pestilence], [Glyph of Raise Dead], and [Glyph of Horn of Winter].

For my rotation I have a macro that I mash.
/castsequence reset=1 Plague Strike, Icy Touch, Heart Strike, Heart Strike, Death Strike, Death Coil, Death Strike, Heart Strike, Heart Strike, Heart Strike, Heart Strike, Death Coil, Death Coil
Then a Macro I use for burst damage and/or getting horn of winter up once I get some death runes and full runic power.
/castsequence reset=1 Horn of Winter, Blood Tap, Dancing Rune Weapon, Vampiric Blood, Raise Dead
The report, seen here, shows white damage at 27% of my total output, followed by heart strike and death strike at 23% and 13% respectively.

In a 20 second rotation I auto attack five times, compared to heart strike's six and death strike's 2. These numbers just seem a bit out of wack.

I suppose my question, after all that, is why is my white damage so high? My DPS seems to match my gear so I'm not too concerned. But I also don't want to be sitting idly by while there is some DPS to be had.

** Edited to fix redundant typo

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Old 05/15/09, 11:49 AM   #1592
 Bryne
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Originally Posted by thumper242 View Post
Last night I tried out WoWwebstats for the first time on our second night in naxx and was shocked to find that White damage made up nearly a third of my overall damage.

For my rotation I have a macro that I mash.
Your white damage is so high because you are using a shitty macro. Learn how to run the rotations correctly and manually and you should see your DPS go up as your % of white damage goes down.

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Old 05/15/09, 12:00 PM   #1593
Amroo
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Castsequence-macros never yield the same DPS as actually learning the rotation and being proficient at it yourself. Although a Blood spec at a Patchwerk-like fight might be the sole exception to this, since you really can't do a lot wrong there - if you are expertise capped.

Which you are not. Which isn't terribly bad unless you are using a castsequence macro. As you can see you missed more than 8% of your Heart Strikes, which is your main nuke in Blood. If you do the rotation yourself you just HS again, if you use a macro the HS ist lost. So using a macro yields inefficient use of abilities, therefore the percentage of white damage increases (since you can't mess up a lot there). If you think 4k DPS is a lot for your gear status, imagine what heights you would be able to reach if you actually pushed more than one button.

Also, 27% is closer to one quarter than one third, I think usually white DPS jumps between 20 and 25% for Blood.
But seriously, I'd recommend you don't even start using cast sequence macros. They might not be terribly shitty in Naxx, but as content progresses it will probably progress without you, since the DPS gap only increases as encounters become more versatile and difficult. Also, Blood rotation isn't very hard to learn.

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Old 05/15/09, 12:54 PM   #1594
shopshopshop
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Imp. Icy Talons

How valuable is Improved Icy Talons to a raid? My guild doesn't currently run with an Enh. Shaman and I usually spec Frost DPS, but recently I've been considering swapping to Unholy or just trying out different specs. Is it worth staying Frost to keep buffing the raid?

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Old 05/15/09, 1:50 PM   #1595
Ashur25
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Human Death Knight
 
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Originally Posted by shopshopshop View Post
How valuable is Improved Icy Talons to a raid? My guild doesn't currently run with an Enh. Shaman and I usually spec Frost DPS, but recently I've been considering swapping to Unholy or just trying out different specs. Is it worth staying Frost to keep buffing the raid?
simple answer: Yes, giving your whole raid 20% haste is a much bigger (raid) dps increase than you could ever get by switching to blood or unholy

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Old 05/15/09, 7:14 PM   #1596
coca
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Originally Posted by Ashur25 View Post
simple answer: Yes, giving your whole raid 20% haste is a much bigger (raid) dps increase than you could ever get by switching to blood or unholy
Well this really does depends on your raid composition. Are you running 25 or 10? If you're running 10 and you're caster heavy then being unholy would be more beneficial because of the 13% magic debuff. If you're melee heavy then frost would be more beneficial. In 25 man I'm pretty sure you're half melee and half caster so you'd most likely benefit the raid more with a haste benefit for the melee.

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Old 05/15/09, 7:45 PM   #1597
richard
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It depends on the specs of other classes, if you don't have the 10% AP buff it would be more beneficial to raid DPS to spec blood and let a shaman use windfury (16%) anyway.

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Old 05/16/09, 12:25 AM   #1598
Feru
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I'm curious to know how the [Furious Gladiator's Crusher] stacks up against the PvE weapons.

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Old 05/16/09, 12:50 AM   #1599
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Originally Posted by Feru View Post
I'm curious to know how the [Furious Gladiator's Crusher] stacks up against the PvE weapons.
They actually stack up very nicely, assuming you can actually get your hands on one. The high base damage makes them very comparable to Aesir's/Voldrethar and they probably edge out a lot of the 232 weapons (especially those without strength).

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Old 05/16/09, 10:02 PM   #1600
Redhorn
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For dps, which is better? 3/3 Morbidity or 5/5 Necrosis?

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Old 05/17/09, 1:09 AM   #1601
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Originally Posted by Redhorn View Post
For dps, which is better? 3/3 Morbidity or 5/5 Necrosis?
What's your spec?

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Old 05/17/09, 4:29 AM   #1602
Redhorn
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The typical 12/59 Unholy. Basically this but without Ghoul Frenzy and 2/5 Necrosis.

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Old 05/17/09, 3:55 PM   #1603
Waddy
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Ok, so last couple of days I've been noticing I'm getting parried*sometimes a lot* on the test dummies aswell as missing on my heart strikes...

So, today I went into 25 man VoA with a PuG which was awful but I saved my parse to see if I was experiencing the same issue in a raid.

I have 8.11% chance to hit and yet I'm missing 11.3% of my heart strikes!?




I also have 28 exp = 7% and yet I'm getting parried 2.8% of the time?




I must be missing something obvious, but I don't understand this please explain.

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Old 05/17/09, 5:51 PM   #1604
Amroo
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You didn't by chance do Archavon in VoA and were standing in that cloud he does sometimes which decreases your chance to hit by 50%?

As for the parry: try standing behind the mob and not in front. The lack of dodges shows that it's clearly a positioning problem and not your expertise being bugged or something.

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Old 05/17/09, 5:52 PM   #1605
Waddy
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Go figure, I never new that cloud dropped chance to hit. I just new it did dps, and yeah I was trying to stand in front of him to avoid the cloud but the stupid ass tnak was just keeping him right in it.

Aight thanks 8 )

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