The upcoming patch exchanges will be dropping the cost of Unholy Blight down to 40 runic power. Assuming that in the near future we're looking at most people with the 4 point Scourgeborne dps bonus and therefore overflowing with rp, what would a typical runic dump look like?

Actually I think Unholy was listed as a lackluster option for PvP but Blood was preferable?

I don't see Blood being a good pvp spec at all. Just personal opinion of course. Unholy and Frost are close but I see Unholy coming out on top by a small margin.

Presence, not spec. You have 3 stances or presences that you can choose from depending on what role you are playing.

Blood is DPS
Frost is Tank
Unholy give you an increase in haste I believe but I could be wrong about that.

Sorry I completely read that wrong. I thought he was talking about specs.

The Compendium seems to have vanished.

Anyway, this doesn't actually create a sub-10 second cooldown if you're using your runes the instant they're off CD right? It's just a grace period of sorts? I'm just trying to make sure I'm understanding some timings right while I'm thinking about my plans for 80.

If I use a rune at 0 seconds, it's ready at 10. If I use it the instant it's ready at 10 it's ready at 20. But if I use it at 11.5-12 it's still ready at 20.

Is that correct?

Well, right, but I'd covered using it at 10, and then I was meaning to specify that you could use it pretty late. I guess I wasn't very clear.

Thanks for pointing out the compendium's new home, and answer my question.

Is [Etched Monarch Topaz] even in the game yet or is it a World drop pattern? No one seems to have the cut and thottbot, allakhazam, wowhead etc. didn't seem to have an answer.

Afternoon.


I am curious as to what the standard suggestions are for raid-level single-target and AoE threat generation for a frost build. I am at times having difficulty with a typical IT-PS-BS-BS-OB-runepower rotation and wondering if I should employ something different.

And for AoE naturally D&D-IT-Pest-HB requires a cooldown everytime it's used. Thus I'd like an alternative...and suggestions for how to continue to maintain threat after the start. Simply wait for D&D each time? I constantly hear blood boil being suggested, but I find it sub-par in terms of damage....is there some built in bonus threat to it I am missing?

Further I am curious as to how big of an impact your weapon's DPS has on your threat. It's formidable, I understand, but I was curious if anyone knows more specifically (Say comparing a 130 dps two hander to a 180 or 200).


Thank you very much.

I recently got Demise and my threat generation went up dramatically. So to answer your question, yes a weapon's dps makes a big difference from what I can tell from my own experience. As for BB I think its value is going to go down some once the cooldown comes off of Pest.

This is a thread for simple stuff, so I think that's where this goes. Is this claim true?

Claim: If you don't have annihilation, you should only obliterate when you can immediately reapply diseases, such as in a place where your other F and U runes will come off cooldown in the GCDs that follow the obliterate.

This is, of course, assuming you obliterate at all - scourge strike makes life easier here. I'm trying to work out DPS and Single-target tanking rotations on my own, so I can really understand how priorities work. What got me into the situation was a hypothetical blood spec where you don't have Annihilation (primarily a hybrid tank/dps spec to last me from 3.0.8 to 3.1 when I can just dual spec, in a guild that mainly runs 5-mans and heroics). No matter how I worked it out, I was popping oblit in the rotation shortly after I just used the extra Death runes in the FU slots from the previous oblit for heart strikes. With epidemic, the IT/PS applications last long enough to use death strike to generate death runes for more heart strikes, but in either case, I can't make oblit fit into the rotation if the above claim is true. Seems I might just need to suck it up and spec frost or unholy for a hybrid build.

The best overall weapon for a DK?

Currently it is probably the Axe from KT25: [Betrayer of Humanity]

Purely because of the ilvl of the item, of course. Stat-wise, it suffers from the same problem as lesser weapons like the [Wraith Spear] or [Black Ice] AP instead of Strength. I strongly suspect that early Ulduar bosses will probably have a better solution on them, if only because they should be dropping ilvl 226 items with the same dps.

Personally I really like [Armageddon], but I freely admit that's as much an aesthetic decision as anything else

Simple Question:
Does BoSanc have an internal CD on RP generation?

Another simple question:
How often does bladed armor check for Armor changes?
(so I can time my Fire leaf use correctly)

Im currently raiding 25man naxx, and wonder if I should wait for the axe or bid on the first good weapon i can. Armageddon is amazing looking, but haste is our least useable stat, so wondering if its worth it.

It does not.

I got my DK to 80 yesterday and attempted to tank some dungeons with guildies, all kitted out in mainly Naxx 25 year. My AoE threat is sufficient I noted, but my single target threat falls short. I was wondering what the highest TPS point-per-point talents were so that I could adjust my spec slightly to cope with my buddy's high dps? I tried the search function but I'm not sure if I even used the right words as I couldn't find an answer. (I realize Frost supposedly has better single target TPS but I'm not interested in that drastic a respec just yet.)

My current spec as on Armory (I misclicked Night of the Dead, so I'll need to respec anyway!): 5/11/55

If anyone could point me to a list where the TPS of each talent is weighed in % it would be much appreciated (if such a list exists), or if you just could give me advice on which talent to max out.

The search didn't came up with something usefull so i hope you can answer my question.

I just wanted to know what parry cap does exist for the dk, if there is even any?

Your lack of ability to hold threat *the day after you ding 80* against people in NAXX 25 gear?
Tyhere is no spec to fix that, you need a high dps weapon and hit/expertise cap + some better tps gear than you will have gathered from levelling up.

To draw comparisons, in TBC would you have expected a new 70 to stroll into a SSC raid and hold aggro from a full raid nuke at Morogrim? or to do the same at supremus? While DKs are pretty 'imba' in places, they aren't automagically godlike.

As an aside, the one major concern that the DK tank community has, is the lack of Single Target threat in *all* specs. Especially as raids gear into Naxx25/Malygos25 gear. I'd suggest scouring the Tank thread on this forum for info, but also have a look at one of the many 'bluetracers' like MMO-Champion BlueTracker

No, I wasn't expecting some wonder spec that would make me instantly put out 4k TPS. I was asking which talents (avaliable to an unholy tank) would improve my single target TPS. I realize I need to work on my gear but in the meanwhile, I can adjust my spec to the best it can do. I'm sorry if that was unclear. I already used the search function but didn't come up with anything. Thanks for the bluetracker link - I'll check it out.