Is there some info anywhere around here (I tried search but I suck at it I guess) about weirdo DK specs like for example 13 / 29 / 29 with both reaping and death rune mastery which uses oblitarate as a main damage source? I always loved this kind of "experimenting out of the box" with classes mechanics, but my DK gear in-game is bit too wank for any real testing right now. Thanks.
EDIT: Point of that spec being mass creation of death runes from oblitarate and blood strike obviously.
I've recently come to a gear decision that I had to choose between (65haste) and (4str+6hit+28crit) for a 51/13/7 specced DK. Having read most of the theorycrafting articles on DKs I was expecting the second option to outweigh the haste without problems. However, when I switched from option 1 to option 2 I witnessed an overall dps decrease of 10, thus 65haste>4str+6hit+28crit. Or using the numbers in the dps compendium that would mean that 65haste>58.2618 or 1haste>0.8963. Comparing this to the number in the compendium (0.564) that is about 60% more. And finally to get to my question - is it possible that haste is actually quite underrated for DKs and are there simulations working on that?
If I look at your armory you have 350 hit rating that means that HIT value is 0 for you.
So you compare 65 haste with 4str+28crit
According to the compendium, this should be
65*0,5640 compare to 4*2,5570 + 28*1,1453
36,66 EAP to 42,2964 EAP
Those are very close number, as your 10 more DPS.
And also, on the compendium there is this note :
Keep in mind this is vulnerable to change as we are still building up the theorycraft around gearing a Death Knight. Use this as a guideline, rather than all-to-be-guide.
Maybe you could explain a little bit how you have test your DPS change. If it was 5 minutes on the 80 training dummy or 1 hour on the l83 dummy. I would also add that 10 DPS is a very small variation to established fact. This is about 0.5% of your DPS
By no means am I trying to undermine the work of EJ and I do understand that these numbers are not 100% final. I am just trying to point out something interesting I noticed that seems to contradict the current commonly-accepted valuations. Even calculating without the hit as you showed we get that the smaller EAP value of 36,66 belongs to haste, which however, grants more dps (altho not a lot more). The tests I did were 5-minute ones on the l83dummy.
Another interesting thing that I noted in these tests is a trend of about 100dps more while dpsing in unholy presence as compared to blood presence. This pushed me even harder into thinking that haste has a higher value.
If I look at your armory you have 350 hit rating that means that HIT value is 0 for you.
Also, this is not entirely correct since I am not spell hit capped so HIT should have at least a small EAP value.
Unless you are a Trispec DW build that focuses on spelldamage, you really want to avoid having more hit than the 2H cap--it really isn't worthwhile compared to Expertise or AP; by my math, effectiveness plummets from 2.17 DPS/0.1% Hit at 7.9% to 0.54 DPS/0.1% Hit at 8% (Frost). The same amount of AP (6.75) still nets 1.64 DPS.
In fact, the only reason Trispecs really bring hit to/near 17% is because it still helps their white damage a noticeable amount.
Does having a DK tank with acclimation prevent a raid from getting "The 100 club"? That is, does the temporary resist bonus from the talent count against the achievement?
I had a quick question regarding sigils once this next patch is released. For reference, I am a standard Unholy DPS spec. I do not have access to any 25-man gear, and thus my choices are amongst the following four:
Now I understand that Sigil of Haunted Dreams' bonus is being changed from haste to crit. I am wondering if anyone could suggest whether this change would be enough to offset the increased damage from SS (I'm leaning towards this one just because SS is such a major attack especially once glyphed), Icy Touch or DC.
Unless you are a Trispec DW build that focuses on spelldamage, you really want to avoid having more hit than the 2H cap--it really isn't worthwhile compared to Expertise or AP; by my math, effectiveness plummets from 2.17 DPS/0.1% Hit at 7.9% to 0.54 DPS/0.1% Hit at 8% (Frost). The same amount of AP (6.75) still nets 1.64 DPS.
In fact, the only reason Trispecs really bring hit to/near 17% is because it still helps their white damage a noticeable amount.
I just want to get it out there that 'Trispec' is not really the same thing as DW anymore. Most DW builds have no, or very very few Blood points now. Just another point in my war against obsolete or flawed preconceptions.
Might have been asked before but not quite easy to search for, but what are the most intresting stats for us?
First we hit the hit max but after that? STR>CRIT>AP>HASTE?
Might have been asked before but not quite easy to search for, but what are the most intresting stats for us?
First we hit the hit max but after that? STR>CRIT>AP>HASTE?
You have to promise me that you will go to the Theorycrafting Think Tank after you read this and read the Deathknight DPS entry after reading this post.
For DPS: HIT raing to cap and never above (8%) > STR > CRIT > Expertise to 5.6% ... ------> +AP>, haste, arpen.
However, Gearing is not that simple. In your search for the best items, it is better to learn what stats to avoid than it is to know what stats to value slightly over others.
IE: Strength and crit are both great for DPS. We know STR is better because it scales with our ghoul, with Blessing of Kings, and with talents. But what is more important is knowing that you want to avoid ratings like Arpen and hit above 8%, because their benefits are awful for you.
You have to promise me that you will go to the Theorycrafting Think Tank after you read this and read the Deathknight DPS entry after reading this post.
For DPS: HIT raing to cap and never above (8%) > STR > CRIT > Expertise to 5.6% ... ------> +AP>, haste, arpen.
However, Gearing is not that simple. In your search for the best items, it is better to learn what stats to avoid than it is to know what stats to value slightly over others.
IE: Strength and crit are both great for DPS. We know STR is better because it scales with our ghoul, with Blessing of Kings, and with talents. But what is more important is knowing that you want to avoid ratings like Arpen and hit above 8%, because their benefits are awful for you.
Thanks for the explanation, that Think Tank thread is exactly what I was looking for but couldnt find it in the DK forum. Awefull searching skills
as unholy raiding spec, i was gonna major glyph: SS, Ghoul, IT .... is that the typical way to go or better options?
This is typical. Some people drop IT for something else, usually Bone Armor. I think the consensus is that IT is the better glyph overall unless you're going to try and OT without changing your glyphs.
About what mitigation level would it be wise to consider going Unholy Tank Spec from Frost?
Currently, self-buffed I am at about 40% dodge/parry, and am considering trying an Unholy spec. Also, could someone please link a good spec for Unholy tanking?
About what mitigation level would it be wise to consider going Unholy Tank Spec from Frost?
Currently, self-buffed I am at about 40% dodge/parry, and am considering trying an Unholy spec. Also, could someone please link a good spec for Unholy tanking?
After the next patch this becomes really murky again. I'd highly suggest sitting tight until second/third looks can be taken at the changes to see if it's even worthwhile to swap to Unholy. Heck, to be honest, Blood seems to be the most *interesting* tanking tree after the changes simply because it does things so differently.
Regardless, the current napkin math seems to be suggesting that Frost will be better than Unholy overall but Unholy will still be superior at tanking casters due to Bone Armor's universal damage reduction on spells and their talents that buff overall resist, AMS, and AMZ (even though AMZ is the weakest of the three spell-soaking options).
I am not your personal Frost Deathknight knowledge base. If you have a simple question, ask in the simple questions thread; if you have a more esoteric, specific, or complicated question, ask in the spec-appropriate thread.
My PM, WoWmail, and, especially, chat boxes are NOT the appropriate places for these questions.
And secondly, since I'm frost the recomended [Glyph of Corpse Explosion] in the DK Tanking thread won't apply to me. Should I go with [Glyph of Blood Tap] or [Glyph of Raise Dead], or is there some other minor glyph I'm missing? Blood Tap doesn't seem like it's that useful, but the Raise Dead would be a good source of instant RP for Death Pact, the only viable reason to have a ghoul as a tank.
Last night I tanked naxx10 for the first time, while it was no huge issue overall I had one major problem I've heard others talk about as well. Death and Decay freezes the game, bigtime, until the duration is up. Now, I've heard that morbidity causes this so I respecced out of it to see if there was any difference, also tried lower graphic settings to no avail. I did a small search but it didn't make me any wiser.
Is there some way to avoid this lag or are we stuck with it for now?
Trig, when I start to tank seriously, I'm going to be sporting the Icy Touch, Icebound Fortitude, and Obliterate major glyphs.
Minors right now are, and would be, Plague Strike (just because I haven't found a better option tbh), Blood Tap, and Horn of Winter (although Horn is another choice that gets the nod simply because there isn't a better option.
I am not your personal Frost Deathknight knowledge base. If you have a simple question, ask in the simple questions thread; if you have a more esoteric, specific, or complicated question, ask in the spec-appropriate thread.
My PM, WoWmail, and, especially, chat boxes are NOT the appropriate places for these questions.
Is there some way to avoid this lag or are we stuck with it for now?
Personally this only happens when there are a ton of mobs taking damage with D&D. So it's an issue of your internet connection dealing with all that information. That's at least my take on it, might be different for you.
Originally Posted by Feorthas
Minors right now are, and would be, Plague Strike (just because I haven't found a better option tbh), Blood Tap, and Horn of Winter (although Horn is another choice that gets the nod simply because there isn't a better option.
I do hope you mean Pestilence, because Plague Strike is a major glyph and Pestilence is a must have for any DK no matter the spec or role.
There is a better option for minors, and it's Pestilence. Both for tanking and DPSing. And for PvP. It's the best minor glyph DKs get. IBF is pretty useless in my opinion for raid tanking, good for PvP though. You're never going to be that RP starved, and if you are you have 2 options to get RP back fast, empower rune weapon and bloodtap. Unbreakable glyph is good, or Frost Strike for threat, if you're going frost. Both much better choices in my opinion than IBF.
Edit: Talking about the next patch versions of FS and UA.
Hey guys, I searched for it, tested it and what not, I simply have to ask now:
In one of Jame's Leveling Guides (the DK one) there is an Unholy DPS rotation mentioned. IT- PS - SS - BS - BS - RD - SS - SS - BS - BS - RD; Yeah I hate leveling and it makes it just easier..
Due to my lack of knowledge of the DK class i just took it and well, fine.
But now there are of tests, maths and so on out, especially in this very forum and there is one rotation that comes out on top (actually I haven't found any other): IT - PS (or reverse, but for the purpose of leveling, I start with IT) - BS - BS - SSx4 with runedumps between 1st and 2nd, and 2nd and 3rd if there's time.
I spent so much time testing, but I just don't see the "standard" rotation that is mentioned in this forum to come out on top. I just do a little more DPS with the first one.
Specc I'm using: WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Death Knight -> Talent Calculator
I took reaping for testing purposes, I don't need it for the first rotation, death runes are used for BS.
Maybe I just overlooked something, or SS simply scales better?
I'd very much appreciate your help, thanks in advance!
12/23/08, 1:57 AM
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