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Old 11/14/08, 11:50 AM   #31
Xelopheris
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Originally Posted by Rezoh View Post
I'm sorry if this question it's very noobish but I haven't tested a DK in beta and I'm very new to them.

Does Desecration (unholy talent) give the 5% extra damage to your party/raid or its a self buff?

Thanks in advance.
Desecration is self only.

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Old 11/14/08, 12:01 PM   #32
Rookah
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Heya,

i have a quick question about the use of Frost Strike. I looked around some and couldnt find Frost Strike in any Frost DPS Rotation. I personally don`t find the damage it does overwhelming, should i just use it as a RP dump? Or skip it completely?

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Old 11/14/08, 12:06 PM   #33
Rezoh
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Originally Posted by Rookah View Post
Heya,

i have a quick question about the use of Frost Strike. I looked around some and couldnt find Frost Strike in any Frost DPS Rotation. I personally don`t find the damage it does overwhelming, should i just use it as a RP dump? Or skip it completely?

DPS Compendium -> http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t36303-d...ps_compendium/

There you ll find a Frost DPS build and an explanation how to use Frost Strike.

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Old 11/14/08, 1:38 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by Rookah View Post
Heya,

i have a quick question about the use of Frost Strike. I looked around some and couldnt find Frost Strike in any Frost DPS Rotation. I personally don`t find the damage it does overwhelming, should i just use it as a RP dump? Or skip it completely?
Rotations will generally only show rune-usage. Fit RP dumps into any spare GCD's you have.

Example of a frost rotation:

PS -> IT -> BS -> BS -> OB -- have two GCD's here to dump runic power
PS -> IT -> OB -> One RP dump here -> OB -> Two RP dumps.

Also, for a Frost build, be sure to use your Rime procs (Freezing Fog buff) during your RP dump GCD's.

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Old 11/14/08, 2:06 PM   #35
Nicolai
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Why is Plague Strike used before Icy Touch in DPS rotations?

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Old 11/14/08, 2:32 PM   #36
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Originally Posted by Nicolai View Post
Why is Plague Strike used before Icy Touch in DPS rotations?
AFAIK its just because of the unholy talent Rage of Rivendare. So for a blood/frost rotation it doesn't matter which comes first

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Old 11/14/08, 2:51 PM   #37
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Originally Posted by Nicolai View Post
Why is Plague Strike used before Icy Touch in DPS rotations?
Purely for soloing right now -- ground into my head. Once you're raiding, it's IT first.

Glacier Rot - Spell - World of Warcraft and Tundra Stalker - Spell - World of Warcraft -- In either case 10% more damage the second disease you cast. Once you're raiding, there will always be a disease up (Shadow Priest or another DK or a feral druid), so Glacier Rot is 100% uptime, so you lead with IT then.

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Old 11/14/08, 3:18 PM   #38
Nicolai
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Originally Posted by Xelopheris View Post
Purely for soloing right now -- ground into my head. Once you're raiding, it's IT first.

Glacier Rot - Spell - World of Warcraft and Tundra Stalker - Spell - World of Warcraft -- In either case 10% more damage the second disease you cast. Once you're raiding, there will always be a disease up (Shadow Priest or another DK or a feral druid), so Glacier Rot is 100% uptime, so you lead with IT then.
Okay, with Glacier Rot that makes sense then. I'm not sure I would count on 100% uptime of other player's debuffs... it may still make sense to lead with Plague Strike.

To me, the ranged pulling ability of leading off with Icy Touch overcomes the loss of 10% damage when soloing. I rarely get to dump my FS after a PS>IT>BS>BS rotation so far.

I wonder if the 5 expertise is worth more in the initial cycle than the 10% increase on Icy Touch during raids.

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Old 11/14/08, 5:27 PM   #39
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Originally Posted by Quaunaut View Post
For these reasons alone I'd say Unholy probably wins out. I know that all the fastest levelers swear by any runspeed talents in the game for the fastest leveling, and also, a shortened Death Grip speeds up actual questing quite a bit.

I'm going as frost still >.>
I also am going frost, and while the playstyle differs, I've found it to power through Outland just as well as the specs people swear by. One of the big advantages I've found is actually as simple as Howling Blast combined with improved Icy Talons while soloing. I'm definitely looking at the 17/54 spec, however, and will likely change out soon. Still, you'll be getting some nice haste from the talent, and by using Plague, Icy, Pestilence, HB on groups of mobs, you're able to plow through groups with Howling Blast acting as your AoE and Frost Strike as your RP dump. Note: this is NOT the optimal DPS rotation, just some good mindless leveling spam to combine with Blood Strike, and whatever your build you should study the mentioned DPS compendium.

Really, only go by what people are swearing by if you're a cookie-cutter kind of person, otherwise choose what you have the most fun with. Naturally that'll change come raiding/80 and your goals, but for leveling the difference is small.

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Old 11/14/08, 8:42 PM   #40
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Does death strike healing get boosted by other DK's diseases?

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Old 11/14/08, 10:54 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Septus View Post
Does death strike healing get boosted by other DK's diseases?
No. All strikes(Blood Strike, Heart Strike, Death Strike etc) work off your own diseases.

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Old 11/15/08, 1:32 AM   #42
shinger
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The more I test this, the more confused I get since no enemies I fight live long enough to properly test it:

Q #1 - Does Death Strike give returns (healing) based on active diseases, or based on how much total disease damage you've done to that target?

Q #2 - Does Death Strike give greater returns (healing) if you refresh a disease before it runs out?

Much appreciated if somebody has a better idea of how this mechanic works than I do. I'm lvl 60 now, but an answer for lvl 80 would be just as appropriate.

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Old 11/15/08, 2:28 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Nemantopia View Post
Really, only go by what people are swearing by if you're a cookie-cutter kind of person, otherwise choose what you have the most fun with.
You're obviously new around here.

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Old 11/15/08, 4:48 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Xelopheris View Post
Pestilence creates new maximum duration diseases on nearby targets. It doesn't refresh on main target on the cast. You can bounce them back and forth from two, but that's non-optimal and way too much micro for an AE situation.
If you had multiple mobs, wouldn't "Pestilence Bouncing" between two mobs be THE most optimal way to keep the diseases refereshed on all targets for AE (Blood Boil)?

I'm only a 60 DK, so definitely looking for tips if my above comment is incorrect, but in my few hours playing I've found this tactic to be quite handy when doing a pack of mobs.

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Old 11/15/08, 5:48 AM   #45
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Pestilence juggling is the best way to keep diseases on multiple targets.
Mobs are usually dead when your diseases run out though.

Rune of Razorice

"Affixes your rune weapon with a rune that causes 2% extra weapon damage as Frost damage."
Does that extra 2% frost damage only occur on white hits, or also on strikes like Blood Strike, Heart Strike, etc.?

The spell description isn't very conclusive and the wowhead/thottbt comments provide exactly zero information.
Rune of Razorice - Spell - World of Warcraft


[Edit]: I'm not talking about the +5% vulnerability debuff. It counts for all attackers and stacks with CoE/E&M/EP as far as I know.
I'm talking about the effect of dealing an additional 2% extra frost damage on attacks. Whether this only occurs on white hits or on strikes as well.

Last edited by Roywyn : 11/15/08 at 9:07 AM. Reason: Clarified question

Chaotic Meta Gems in Cataclysm: http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t106009-...2/#post1794256

DPS spec and class comparison in Naxxramas gear: http://code.google.com/p/simulationc...i/SampleOutput
The Blue Bar and you - the complete Fire Mage 2.4 mana compendium: http://elitistjerks.com/658230-post3191.html

And [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] doesn't proc on AM.
Neither does [The Egg of Mortal Essence] since 3.1.

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