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Old 12/17/08, 1:34 PM   #541
Cambriel
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Night Elf Death Knight
 
Durotan
Originally Posted by Darkside View Post
Currently it is probably the Axe from KT25: [Betrayer of Humanity]
Purely because of the ilvl of the item, of course. Stat-wise, it suffers from the same problem as lesser weapons like the [Wraith Spear] or [Black Ice] AP instead of Strength. I strongly suspect that early Ulduar bosses will probably have a better solution on them, if only because they should be dropping ilvl 226 items with the same dps.

Personally I really like [Armageddon], but I freely admit that's as much an aesthetic decision as anything else

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Old 12/17/08, 3:49 PM   #542
Kallor
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Night Elf Death Knight
 
Smolderthorn
Simple Question:
Does BoSanc have an internal CD on RP generation?

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Old 12/17/08, 5:14 PM   #543
Twinbladez
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Human Death Knight
 
Bloodhoof (EU)
Another simple question:
How often does bladed armor check for Armor changes?
(so I can time my Fire leaf use correctly)

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Old 12/17/08, 5:26 PM   #544
Noraj
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Lightbringer
Originally Posted by Twinbladez View Post
Another simple question:
How often does bladed armor check for Armor changes?
(so I can time my Fire leaf use correctly)
Testing this with a stopwatch, my character sheet, and swapping between blood and frost presence, I came up with the check occuring roughly every thirty seconds, which has been posted elsewhere before.

"The question is not how far we are going to take it... the question is, do you possess the constitution to go as far as needed?" - Il Duce

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Old 12/17/08, 8:51 PM   #545
Jeager
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Human Death Knight
 
Dalaran
Originally Posted by Cambriel View Post
Purely because of the ilvl of the item, of course. Stat-wise, it suffers from the same problem as lesser weapons like the [Wraith Spear] or [Black Ice] AP instead of Strength. I strongly suspect that early Ulduar bosses will probably have a better solution on them, if only because they should be dropping ilvl 226 items with the same dps.

Personally I really like [Armageddon], but I freely admit that's as much an aesthetic decision as anything else
Im currently raiding 25man naxx, and wonder if I should wait for the axe or bid on the first good weapon i can. Armageddon is amazing looking, but haste is our least useable stat, so wondering if its worth it.

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Old 12/17/08, 9:34 PM   #546
Clandestine
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Laughing Skull
Originally Posted by Kallor View Post
Simple Question:
Does BoSanc have an internal CD on RP generation?
It does not.

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Old 12/18/08, 3:50 AM   #547
Lyssa
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Pandaren Monk
 
Al'Akir (EU)
I got my DK to 80 yesterday and attempted to tank some dungeons with guildies, all kitted out in mainly Naxx 25 year. My AoE threat is sufficient I noted, but my single target threat falls short. I was wondering what the highest TPS point-per-point talents were so that I could adjust my spec slightly to cope with my buddy's high dps? I tried the search function but I'm not sure if I even used the right words as I couldn't find an answer. (I realize Frost supposedly has better single target TPS but I'm not interested in that drastic a respec just yet.)

My current spec as on Armory (I misclicked Night of the Dead, so I'll need to respec anyway!): 5/11/55

If anyone could point me to a list where the TPS of each talent is weighed in % it would be much appreciated (if such a list exists), or if you just could give me advice on which talent to max out.

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Old 12/18/08, 5:32 AM   #548
Samurro
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Undead Death Knight
 
Destromath (EU)
The search didn't came up with something usefull so i hope you can answer my question.

I just wanted to know what parry cap does exist for the dk, if there is even any?

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Old 12/18/08, 6:00 AM   #549
dreadai
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Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by Lyssa View Post
I got my DK to 80 yesterday and attempted to tank some dungeons with guildies, all kitted out in mainly Naxx 25 year. My AoE threat is sufficient I noted, but my single target threat falls short. I was wondering what the highest TPS point-per-point talents were so that I could adjust my spec slightly to cope with my buddy's high dps? I tried the search function but I'm not sure if I even used the right words as I couldn't find an answer. (I realize Frost supposedly has better single target TPS but I'm not interested in that drastic a respec just yet.)

My current spec as on Armory (I misclicked Night of the Dead, so I'll need to respec anyway!): 5/11/55

If anyone could point me to a list where the TPS of each talent is weighed in % it would be much appreciated (if such a list exists), or if you just could give me advice on which talent to max out.
Your lack of ability to hold threat *the day after you ding 80* against people in NAXX 25 gear?
Tyhere is no spec to fix that, you need a high dps weapon and hit/expertise cap + some better tps gear than you will have gathered from levelling up.

To draw comparisons, in TBC would you have expected a new 70 to stroll into a SSC raid and hold aggro from a full raid nuke at Morogrim? or to do the same at supremus? While DKs are pretty 'imba' in places, they aren't automagically godlike.

As an aside, the one major concern that the DK tank community has, is the lack of Single Target threat in *all* specs. Especially as raids gear into Naxx25/Malygos25 gear. I'd suggest scouring the Tank thread on this forum for info, but also have a look at one of the many 'bluetracers' like MMO-Champion BlueTracker

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Old 12/18/08, 6:10 AM   #550
Lyssa
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Pandaren Monk
 
Al'Akir (EU)
No, I wasn't expecting some wonder spec that would make me instantly put out 4k TPS. I was asking which talents (avaliable to an unholy tank) would improve my single target TPS. I realize I need to work on my gear but in the meanwhile, I can adjust my spec to the best it can do. I'm sorry if that was unclear. I already used the search function but didn't come up with anything. Thanks for the bluetracker link - I'll check it out.

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Old 12/18/08, 8:13 AM   #551
seamusmc
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Feathermoon
Originally Posted by Lyssa View Post
No, I wasn't expecting some wonder spec that would make me instantly put out 4k TPS. I was asking which talents (avaliable to an unholy tank) would improve my single target TPS. I realize I need to work on my gear but in the meanwhile, I can adjust my spec to the best it can do. I'm sorry if that was unclear. I already used the search function but didn't come up with anything. Thanks for the bluetracker link - I'll check it out.
I'd suggest a build like this: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Basically an Unholy dps build, (sans the pet talents), with some tank talents. You don't need Lichborne as much as you need threat, and you can put all of the points in Frost into DPS talents. (This is just so you can maximize threat.)

Pets do not contribute to TPS at all. Until you are geared up drop the pet talents. I see no problem losing Shadow of Death because it sounds like your friends out-gear the heroics and the extra stamina won't count for much.

Remember UB and DnD are good for single target threat as well as AE threat.

Last edited by seamusmc : 12/18/08 at 8:20 AM.

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Old 12/18/08, 8:21 AM   #552
Afabar
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Chants Eternels (EU)
Originally Posted by Lyssa View Post
No, I wasn't expecting some wonder spec that would make me instantly put out 4k TPS. I was asking which talents (avaliable to an unholy tank) would improve my single target TPS.
Talent you have take that do not add TPS :
  • Summon Gargoyle
  • Master of goul
  • On a pale horse
  • Icy reach

Put the freed point into very valuable talent like Bladed Armor

If you wish a sample of a threat oriented Unholy spec, you could check my armory.

ps : check the DK Tanking Discussion and Unholy DPS Discussion for some realy good information about what talents worth it and what is not.

Last edited by Afabar : 12/18/08 at 8:28 AM.

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Old 12/18/08, 8:49 AM   #553
Lyssa
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Pandaren Monk
 
Al'Akir (EU)
I'm a bit curious over some of the choices - isn't Two-Handed Weapon Specialization worth it for single-target tanking, increasing BS and PS? Rather than a talent like Dark Conviction or Necrosis (considering I RS most of my autoattacks already). Also Ravenous Dead, with all the strength on tanking gear currently. I'd rather not remove all of my defensive talents as I'm still undergeared for heroics, so I'll probably go for something in between.

Thanks a lot for the suggestions, I'll go read those other threads now.

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Old 12/18/08, 9:12 AM   #554
Afabar
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Chants Eternels (EU)
Concerning Ravenous dead, unbuff I have 880 strength. Let's say full buff I get 1100 strength. Each point in Ravenous dead could give me 11 strength, so about 24 AP and 2 parry rating.
So I don't believe it worth it on a tanking build.

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Old 12/18/08, 12:03 PM   #555
Abynthe
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Draenei Paladin
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by Lyssa View Post
considering I RS most of my autoattacks already.
unless they changed it, RS procs necrosis

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