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Old 06/03/09, 9:59 AM   #1701
AmeroGER
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Originally Posted by Esfernum View Post
You hit Blood Strike once, Bloodrune on CD. Then you Blood tap, which make this blood rune to reset to Death rune and switch the other blood rune to death rune as well. It will leave you with 2 death rune ready to use.
However if you do that to cast a SS, one of the two Blood Runes will refresh as a Death Rune because of BT. You can't cast another SS from 1 BR, 1 DR, so you'll be stuck on casting two BS's. But by the time those two refresh again BT will have elapsed and the DR from before will go back to being a BR, leaving you with 1 DR, 1 BR again. The only ways out of this are to either accept casting 2 BS's for 2 rotations or to wait before casting the first set of BS's or to cancel BT manually.

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Old 06/03/09, 1:11 PM   #1702
crazy dodo
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i should probably know this ...
Spellpower is calculated based on AP not Strenght correct?
what's the SP gain for 1 AP (before any talent bonuses are applied)?

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Old 06/03/09, 1:14 PM   #1703
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Originally Posted by crazy dodo View Post
i should probably know this ...
Spellpower is calculated based on AP not Strenght correct?
what's the SP gain for 1 AP (before any talent bonuses are applied)?
Spellpower is not calculated from anything, all DK abilities use Attack Power to determine their final damage value. Various coefficients for different abilities can be found in the Theorycrafting Think Tank.

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Old 06/03/09, 4:34 PM   #1704
Growler
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Night Elf Druid
 
Kel'Thuzad
Picture a non ideal 25 man makeup with only 1 DK (DPS most of the instance 10 & 25 Uld), no shammies, majority of the time no feral and very meele heavy (wars & pallies mainly). What spec would benefit the raid more?

We went from 4 DK, 2 unholy, 1 blood, 1 frost, now to just myslef being frost, no longer are all the bases covered.

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Old 06/03/09, 7:07 PM   #1705
Lollersk8er
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Is the FS glyph still bugged?

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Old 06/03/09, 7:09 PM   #1706
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I believe they fixed all the issues with RP/Rage/Energy reductions last night with server restarts (I'm not sure if this happened with EU servers).

Originally Posted by Growler View Post
Picture a non ideal 25 man makeup with only 1 DK (DPS most of the instance 10 & 25 Uld), no shammies, majority of the time no feral and very meele heavy (wars & pallies mainly). What spec would benefit the raid more?

We went from 4 DK, 2 unholy, 1 blood, 1 frost, now to just myslef being frost, no longer are all the bases covered.
If you have noone covering the +13% magic damage debuff, go Unholy.
If you have no hunter proving +10% AP, go Blood.
If both of those are covered, go Frost.

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Old 06/03/09, 9:04 PM   #1707
Ellendiel
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Further question about 2350 weapons

I know the question was asked briefly before, but a little more involved question:

Do you think the 2350 axe (+5 expertise for my orc) is better than Aesir's, despite loss in crit/arp, and ap instead of str? I'm blood, btw.

Higher topend, but less desirable stats, so I'm not exactly sure.

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Old 06/04/09, 4:16 AM   #1708
Esfernum
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Originally Posted by AmeroGER View Post
However if you do that to cast a SS, one of the two Blood Runes will refresh as a Death Rune because of BT. You can't cast another SS from 1 BR, 1 DR, so you'll be stuck on casting two BS's. But by the time those two refresh again BT will have elapsed and the DR from before will go back to being a BR, leaving you with 1 DR, 1 BR again. The only ways out of this are to either accept casting 2 BS's for 2 rotations or to wait before casting the first set of BS's or to cancel BT manually.
No, you usually use this trick after that the frost and unholy runes are on cooldown, after double SS or DS or OB. Both of your Blood runes will be reset to Death runes ready to use. It is then time to use your RP dump and your next couple of runes are ready to use (should be bbFFUU). Try it and love it.
Just to be noticed, you can use it as well with an Unholy rune for the Ghoul Frenzy.

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Old 06/04/09, 6:09 AM   #1709
AmeroGER
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Originally Posted by Esfernum View Post
No, you usually use this trick after that the frost and unholy runes are on cooldown, after double SS or DS or OB. Both of your Blood runes will be reset to Death runes ready to use. It is then time to use your RP dump and your next couple of runes are ready to use (should be bbFFUU). Try it and love it.
Just to be noticed, you can use it as well with an Unholy rune for the Ghoul Frenzy.
I did try it and the next upcoming runes weren't BBFFUU but rather BDFFUU. Fieh in the Unholy Thread however posted a simple solution to this. Create the macro

#showtooltip
/cast Blood Tap
/cancelaura Blood Tap
replace Blood Tap in your bar with this macro and then you can simply repress Blood Tap to cancel the effect. (Although it looks that way BT won't be cast and cancelled if you only press the macro once.)

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Old 06/04/09, 8:14 AM   #1710
Dashihawk
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so quick question with a simple answer.

Best DPS spec with heroic/naxx 10 gear? and best DPS spec with 25 naxx/ Ulduar gear?
Also blood/cold/unholy?

I am looking to make a DK tank/dps and wanted some quick questions answerd. Thanks

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Old 06/04/09, 4:53 PM   #1711
Burningsoul
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OK I am wearing most of the best in slot pre-uld gear and I am having trouble getting over 4.2-4.5k DPS. I recently ran a raid with another DK that was wearing similar gear as me and was pulling 6.5-7K DPS. I am following the PS-IT-BS-BS -SS RP -SS-SS-SS RP and eaither refresh or continue with SS. Does timing of the attack have alot to do with DPS or why would I be so much lower? We were both using the 10/61 Frost unholy build.

Last edited by Burningsoul : 06/04/09 at 4:55 PM. Reason: Add Info

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Old 06/05/09, 11:19 AM   #1712
coca
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Originally Posted by Burningsoul View Post
OK I am wearing most of the best in slot pre-uld gear and I am having trouble getting over 4.2-4.5k DPS. I recently ran a raid with another DK that was wearing similar gear as me and was pulling 6.5-7K DPS. I am following the PS-IT-BS-BS -SS RP -SS-SS-SS RP and eaither refresh or continue with SS. Does timing of the attack have alot to do with DPS or why would I be so much lower? We were both using the 10/61 Frost unholy build.
For one thing you don't have wandering plague. Look up the appropriate spec on the Unholy tree. Although that shouldn't account for that much dps difference. I'm assuming they're only getting 6k ish on bosses correct? If you're account for overall and you're doing naxx just drop DnD and just aoe like crazy. Also I myself found that the other spec was better when you're not in ulduar gear yet and and the 10/61 spec is only good or gets to be better when you get ulduar gear. Try out the blood/unholy spec and see how it goes. If you're doing raids make sure you're flasked and food buffed with the appropriate buffs (i.e might, kings, motw, windfury, warrior crit, etc) to maximize ur dps. Also make use of those speed pots before you throw out that gargoyle. Keep track of your diseases to keep them up at all times (frost fever, plague strike one, unholy blight). Best of luck to you!

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Old 06/05/09, 12:16 PM   #1713
f1reburn
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Does Acclimation (and any resistance for that matter) work on Mimiron's Plasma Blast? (Which does spellfire damage.)

Last edited by f1reburn : 06/05/09 at 3:37 PM.

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Old 06/05/09, 1:03 PM   #1714
Flippers
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Human Death Knight
 
Smolderthorn
With the current BiS gears right now, which spec gives the most DPS with it at the moment?

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Old 06/05/09, 1:59 PM   #1715
dr_AllCOM3
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Is BP reset when casting PS (same for FF/IT)?


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Old 06/05/09, 2:03 PM   #1716
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I believe so. I noticed fewer ticks of Frost Fever than Blood Plague while playing an IT spam spec, indicating that I was clipping disease ticks by resetting the debuff.

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Old 06/05/09, 4:17 PM   #1717
Paratrooper1508
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Originally Posted by Burningsoul View Post
OK I am wearing most of the best in slot pre-uld gear and I am having trouble getting over 4.2-4.5k DPS. I recently ran a raid with another DK that was wearing similar gear as me and was pulling 6.5-7K DPS. I am following the PS-IT-BS-BS -SS RP -SS-SS-SS RP and eaither refresh or continue with SS. Does timing of the attack have alot to do with DPS or why would I be so much lower? We were both using the 10/61 Frost unholy build.
I'm having similar trouble. I am not pulling the numbers I should be, despite following the suggested rotation/priority system. One thing I'm noticing is that I have no found a mod that reliably monitors ghoul frenzy. Is there one that can help me keep better track of it instead of having to manually scan the ghouls buffs on pet bar?

Also, is there a point when the armor pen on ulduar gear makes Blood eclipse 0/10/61? In ulduar gear, does frost beat the other two from a pure theorycrafting point of view?

Another thing I noticed is rotations (especially when I expirement with blood) getting badly mangled due to dodges (or the occasional parry if the tank moves wierd on mobility fights). Now I trust the research behind the weights for expertise etc, but if it interfering with rotations to the point where I'm seeing more dps in Unholy presence because of faster correction, should I be gemming differently?

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Old 06/05/09, 10:08 PM   #1718
dr_AllCOM3
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What is the attack speed, base damage and crit chance of the DRW?
DRW is too short to search for .

Last edited by dr_AllCOM3 : 06/05/09 at 10:46 PM.


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Old 06/06/09, 12:39 AM   #1719
Flippers
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Should I use BoH or Ironsoul for a Human Blood DK?

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Old 06/06/09, 5:05 AM   #1720
Paratrooper1508
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Originally Posted by Flippers View Post
Should I use BoH or Ironsoul for a Human Blood DK?
add up the EP weights and find out. Probably BoH but go crunch the numbers

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Old 06/06/09, 6:18 AM   #1721
Muggins
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Originally Posted by f1reburn View Post
Does Acclimation (and any resistance for that matter) work on Mimiron's Plasma Blast? (Which does spellfire damage.)
Plasma Blast - Spell - World of Warcraft

The tooltip for the spell actually states that it cannot be resisted, from what i've seen Spell Deflection also doesn't seem to work in reducing Plasma Blast's damage although i could just be unlucky with the random number generator.

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Old 06/06/09, 9:32 AM   #1722
murdin123
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I'm having problems with gemming. I'm using info from BiS list, using stat weight, and gemming advice. But ask myself why isn't a [Enchanted Tear] used instead of [Sovereign Twilight Opal] ?

[Enchanted Tear]: (6*2.89) + (6*1.37) = 25.56
[Sovereign Twilight Opal]: 8*2.89 = 23.13

Also isn't [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] better than [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]? (Keeping the socket requirements in mind) So as we will already have a red gem the comparison is 2 blue gems vs 1 blue and 1 yellow.

[Inscribed Monarch Topaz] + [Enchanted Tear]
35.6 + 25.56 = 61.6

[Enchanted Tear] + [Sovereign Twilight Opal]
25.56 + 23.13 = 48.69


Plus on the amount of each Meta [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] = 28.77 and [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] = 32.76

Ending in : [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] = 90.37 and [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] = 81.45

Sorry if i explained myself badly, never have been good at doing so. But my question is, Is this true? or doesn't Chaotic Skyflare win over Relentless?

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Old 06/06/09, 10:27 AM   #1723
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Originally Posted by murdin123 View Post
Gems
This is something that has come up when the jewelcrafting changes wer announced (since most BiS lists generally assume Jewelcrafting prismatic gems). For Blood and perhaps Frost at least a Relentless/Tear combination might pull ahead, due to how much is damge is affected by phsyical crit and how beneficial crit is. For Unholy it depends largely on the potential socket bonus you would get from socketing the second Sovereign Twilight Opal, since for that spec 2 strength is superior to 6 agility. But even for Frost and Blood socket bonuses must be taken into account to get a conclusive decision.

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Old 06/06/09, 2:39 PM   #1724
f1reburn
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Can pets attacking a boss from the front that I'm tanking cause the boss to parry-haste?

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Old 06/06/09, 6:50 PM   #1725
Adenthiel
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Originally Posted by usiris208 View Post
ok ive been reading around and i havent found an answer yet but my question is:

Darkmoon Card: Greatness(+90 Str) VS Fury of the five flights

most of the stuff ive been reading was for rogues and hunters but very little or non for DKs. right now i have Bandit's Insignia and DmC: Greatness(+90 Str). Right now in 25man ulduar my Greatness has an avg uptime of about 32% for the whole fight. and im trying to find out if Fury of the Five Flight has a better up time. i dont want to get it and it sucks
FotFF has up to 100% uptime depending on the fight. Greatness is still better.

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