• frmorrison

You can use any of the macros out there for Warriors, shield block will already be 0 for a DK. I guess if you wanted to manually calculate set shield block to 0.

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xylotism

How does crit rating affect the T9 4P set bonus? Is it a direct link? I haven't done any extensive testing, but with ~35% crit chance, I was only seeing one in maybe 10 dot ticks "crit" in a heroic run. My average dps was higher, but I'm not sure if that was the bonus in action or just the better gear. Does the effect normally show in the default Blizz FCT as a normal "sticky" crit, or just doubled damage? If it's not a direct link and 1/10 ticks is normal, that'll become 1/20 when 3.3 changes it to remove Frost Fever.

Is it normal for an Unholy DK in 232-245 gear to be at 5k dps with 5-man buffs with this set bonus? I'm seeing talk of 11k in raids... I don't know how a few more raid buffs can more than double our dps.

 

• Darkside

5mans are an absolutely terrible way to judge DPS. The fights typically last less than 30s or so, so a significant portion of the fight is spent getting diseases/procs up, which is reflected in your average DPS at the end of the encounter. Furthermore, those missing buffs can make a TREMENDOUS difference. I will typically have 5-6k average AP in a standard 5man run, while I probably push 8.5k average in raids (if not higher). You will also always be missing some important raid buff (be it 20% haste, extra crit, reduced armor or what have you). Finally, the 11k numbers you see being tossed around are often the result of encounters with significant AoE or damage increasing components (i.e. twins or Anub).

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xylotism

Ah, a perfectly logical answer. That makes total sense. I assumed Kings, Sanc, Windfury and my own buffs would be the brunt of the dps boosts, but now I realize raid DEBUFFS play a part as well, along with time on target. I also assumed 5man aoe would be about the same as 10/25-man, but I'm guessing the same things apply.

So I guess my dps is pretty normal, now I'm just interested in the set bonus.

 

Amroo

The set bonus scales with your own crit percentage, although I'm not sure if it was spell crit or melee crit chance. Looking at my recent parses doesn't give an answer, either, since the disease crit percentage is always less than the melee crit percentage, but above the death and decay crit percentage. But the answer must be somewhere in the threads.

It is usually around 40ish percent, so definitely worthwile. Do you track your disease crits by looking at the scrolling combat text or do you use Recount or something similar? By simply relying on SCT it's near impossible to really get the correct impression of your number of crits. Besides, what Darkside mentioned also applies here, full raid buffs also increase your crit chance by quite a bit (although 10% is unrealistically low).

 

Esh-324

Testing has show that 4pc T9 was critting at the same rate as your melee crit, minus the innate crit suppression on bosses.

 

VulcanR

i'm sorry for my crap answer but...I reed on ej that if you have another unholy dk in your raid tha brings ebon plague you can skip the 6 talents needed by cript feaver and ebon plague and take some other..
but i better think that the best choice is to take 3/3 crypt feaver and 1/3 ebon plague,then...where to put the last 2 points?
I dont take bone shield instead of taking 5/5 dark convintion,but always remains a point,and i dont now where it is better to put it.
or maybe completle drop the 3 points in crypt/ebon and take...reaping+epidemic? :O

 

• frmorrison

You still get 3% crit out of Ebon Plague, so the 6 points is not all wasted with another DK. ATM on the live game, there is nothing else to get that is worth dropping the talents for. In 3.3 where Reaping and Epidemic are useful, you would have somewhere to point the extra points, like Necrosis.

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Necrolytus

Something I've always wondered, the strength gained from HoW and BoK does it double/triple dip into the bonus strength bonus's from ravenous dead and veteran of the third war? If so(Because I've always assumed it does and can never wrap my head around how to do this) how would I go about getting an accurate number for my buffed strength while not able to get a pally to buff me, stupid question I know but then again that is this thread purpose :P. Thank you in advance.

 

Leaflock

Percentage bonuses from buffs and talents are multiplicative, so they all affect each other, yes. The HoW flat bonus is just added on before multipliers. "Double-dipping" usually refers to an ability benefiting twice from raid buffs, or from two different types of buffs that aren't normally meant to overlap (i.e. melee and spell raid buffs).

 

Necrolytus

Ah, thank you for correcting my misunderstanding of the terminology then . I guess my actual question would be if the strength from BoK is added before or after multipliers are calculated.

 

Amroo

Since BoK is itself a multiplier it does not matter. (base + absolute values) * talent multiplier * BoK multiplier yields the same result as (base + absolute values) * BoK multiplier * talent multiplier

Absolut values includes strength from gear, totem, MotW and such.

 

Exemplar

Blessing of Kings is a Multiplier.

Take your base attribute. Add bonus to that attribute from gear/enchants/gems. Add bonus from buffs, such as Horn of Winter or Strength of Earth Totems, Mark of the Wild, etc.

Take this combined number and begin multiplying by bonuses - talents, Blessing of Kings, etc. Order of multiplication doesn't matter - multiplication is commutative.

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Sabellian

First off, here's a link to my armory: Sabellian

As you can see, I'm sorely lacking expertise, and there isn't much gear that I can see myself getting with my guild's current progression status that can help me to remedy this. Tonight, while running TotGC10, I received these: [Gauntlets of Mounting Anger]. What I was wondering was how I should fill the yellow socket. Normally I'd throw a +20 Cardinal Ruby in there without a second thought, but the expertise issue is really starting to frustrate me. Is there a better way for me to get at least some of that much-needed expertise through gems?

To give an idea as to my progression and what's available to me, we're currently struggling to down Faction Champions in TotGC10, and the only hard-modes we haven't done in Ulduar are Mimiron, Yogg-Saron, and Algalon (all of which are to some degree in sight; we've been working on them, but progress is slow). Everything else is obviously done, and with the except our GM's struggle to pull together a halfway decent 25 group by the time Icecrown comes out, we're effectively a 10man guild.

I know a lot of Icecrown loot is decked in expertise, and I was wondering if anyone had any advice on how I could handle this.

Thanks.

 

Devloc

Looks like a [Accurate Ametrine] would fit nicely, especially since you'll be losing some hit anyway, not to mention you're not quite capped either.

 

Fugazor

Kinda off-topic but did anyone found out what is causing ghoul missing from combatlog parses and how (at least try) to prevent this from happening?

 

Pintofbrew

I use glyph of Disease as a DPS and would like an addon that tells me at any given point what my AP is, so I can effectively refresh when my AP is at it's most. I was under the impression Bleeding Hearts was ideal for exactly this, but I can't get it to function. When enabled it doesn't appear anywhere, no commands produce any result and it's not registered as consuming any memory.

What I'd like, is either a pointer in the direction of a similar addon, or a suggestion as to why Bleeding Hearts won't work.

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• frmorrison

This issue has been around for a while. The person tracking the combat log needs to see DK casts summon Ghoul X, so that WoL knows Ghoul X goes with the DK. If the log misses that event, the ghoul damage is still in the log, just it isn't added to the DK's damage.

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Frostx

Hi, i've just recently returned to WoW and i would like to know which are the least valuable dps talent points that i can afford to drop for epidemic (specifically, a spec for H-Anub) and also what would an aoe rotation be like with said spec (specific tips for H-Anub would be welcome, as i haven't done it yet but have to soon.)

My own thoughts are:
PS/IT - Pest - DND - DC/Horn
then repeat the following:
SS - BS - BB - SS - DC
SS - Pest - DND - DC/Horn

Thanks in advance.