You really should use Glyph of Rune Strike in my opinion. And if you want to use Glyph of HB, then I guess you would have to get rid of either FS or OB. I think I would drop OB since you will probably be using a 1 disease rotation, which means OB will hit lower, and FS still as strong as ever.

Could use an "!" in there if you mash so you don't click it off with multiple presses.

#showtooltip Obliterate
/cast Obliterate
/cast !Rune Strike

Does this work alright for you though? I just don't want to use this and then realize when I reach harder content that it was a useless crutch that is eating up too much of my RP because I don't have any control over it, but on the other hand I don't want to gimp myself if I'd be better served to just bind it to everything else and focus on more important things. It's too hard for me to gauge this stuff right now during pretty easy encounters.

I've been a DK tank since the launch of WOTLK and hitting 80 pretty fast, took a few months break and played resto druid, now I tank a bit on my DK again.

Went into Ulduar 10 and struggled immensely with the Thorim arena part, getting my runes on cooldown and not having any AOE ability to pick up the new waves. I've always been a frost tank but am now looking to go Unholy as an AOE/OT tank.

To do AOE well I think the following talents are a must:
Unholy Blight
Corpse Explosion
Wandering Plague


To make the AOE diseases and such do the most damage I think the following talents are good to have:
Crypt Fever + Ebon Plaguebringer
Impurity
Epidemic
Virulence

To generate the RP and sustan the RP required for Unholy Blight and Corpse Explosion I think the following talents are good to have:
Scent of Blood
Dirge

Since I'm a tank, and the two jobs of a tank is to take all the beating (Keep threat) and reduce as much of the incoming damage as possible, the other talent choices are for that, single target threat and mitigation.


Now especially the last bit I'm having problems making choices for, what would be the best choices on a talent for talent basis to get the most single target threat possible with this AOE build.

So every other talent in this build I did not mention I went for either Mitigation or for Single target threat:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...4&version=9901

I hope some of you, who are more at home with each talent and its contribution, can give me some feedback on what would be better choices for me instead of the ones I went for in the build linked above.


I am Naxx10 geared so already a bit undergeared for Ulduar 10, working on that, don't know if that makes a big difference when it comes to the talent choices made.


Thanks in advance

The large groups of smaller mobs aren't really worth a DnD unless they will have a "named" mob with them (Evoker, Champion, etc.). Typically, even an undiseased Blood Boil will be enough to hold aggro on them long enough for them to die. They don't do enough dmg to your dps to warrant worrying about. The biggest worry is not doing ANYTHING to them and letting them gib a healer. HB is your main threat gainer here as frost, use DnD for the later waves where named after named and then a large pack with a Champion + Evoker will come. As frost, Thorim Hard mode should be very easy in the Arena. Use DS for snap aggro and let HS shine on the duos if you are Blood. It's much more difficult as Blood. As mentioned above, snap aggro here is much more important than threat. Frost gives you 3+ options for Aoe threat. Hungering cold, Howling Blast, Blood Boil, DnD. Also, save your cooldowns till much later in the fight on Thorim when he will be doing much more damage and your healers are more likely to make a mistake. Trust your healers to get you through the first few Unbalancing switches.

Unholy doesn't really shine in any facet of Ulduar above Blood or Frost. The AoE threat is nice but the cooldowns on Mimiron and similar hard modes are inferior to Blood. Frost provides a nice middle ground. I was able to successfully tank everything in Ulduar until Mimiron hard mode as Frost. Anti-Magic Zone is embarrassingly bad in terms of actual damage reduction. It might save someone during Detonating packs on Freya if they are standing in it but it won't even take 1/2 of a tick of Plasma Blast for Mimiron.

The other interesting point about Blood spec'd tanking is that there are about 3 extra points where you can spend on whichever aspect you need most. This isn't so much the case with Frost or Unholy. If you are doing a Hardmode, you can spec for more EH, reduce your magical damage, or you can spec to increase your AoE viability via Morbity or to increase your threat via Sudden Doom, Subversion, or Necrosis.

One particular spec won't be sufficient, IMO, to get you through all of Ulduar. You need to be ready and able to switch specs based on the fights and Hardmodes you will be facing and whether or not you are the OT or MT.

For Freya (hardmode and otherwise) when I was frost, popping Hungering Cold at the start of a Detonating Lasher pack was clutch if the dps hadn't finished off the previous set of adds or you wanted to keep people from dying.