Looks like I'll have to try Blood tonight for tanking if Frost is bugged :|




I was wondering does putting runestike before or after the other skill matter?

Does anyone know why Rune Strike would have changed?

/cast Rune Strike certainly worked pre-patch, I'm just curious as to whether there were more changes to its casting mechanics that I'm not aware of. As long as ! fixes it, I guess it's not a big deal either way.

I'm still curious as to what the single-target blood tank rotation is. I think its OB>IT>BS>HS>HS//OB>OB>HS>HS//? I think that if this is it then we are stuck going unholy until the hotfix.

You can not down rank OB either, I just checked.

Well I think Most bloods don't spec epidemic so could swore only use one Oblid but I could be mistaken.....I have never touched blood yet I don't even have heart strikes trained lol.

I'm pretty sure this is the most basic blood tank spec: 52/14/5

I think the only tree that may actually need epidemic is unholy. The rest of the trees using epidemic would just be a luxury. I wonder what glyphs I should use when I test blood... I'm guessing obliterate, IBF, and VB?

I've been using a 53/8/10 spec tonight that did a rotation of roughly IT/PS/DS/HSx2 IT/PS/HSx4 since no annihlation no point using oblit anyways. It isn't as punishing on the gcd as regular blood dps since no impending doom and runestrike is eating your rp. Anyways I pulled way higher tps than I did as frost or unholy prepatch, over 8k on patchwerk. The second hateful tank didn't get swung at the entire fight to my knowledge and only pulled 1200 dps because I now have 44000 raidbuffed hp instead of 37000.

Then the servers started dcing half of us every pull.

I'll try the same tomorrow night if they don't hotfix obliterate. I was at about 5.5k-6k TPS as unholy but I didn't have kings.

I think if you aren't at the expertise soft-cap then yes it is worth the points, but that is my view on expertise.

I think you are probably above 75% half the time, plus the 5 expertise. Certainly better than going down and getting lichborne imo. If we get a fight where we need to like have a 100% avoidance cooldown, then maybe that would change.

Doesn't Death Strike do far less threat than Obliterate? I realise right now it's broken and thus doing Death Strike is the logical move, but once it gets fixed, wouldn't you want to Obliterate with the Awareness Sigil and thus pickup Annihilation? I was thinking something along these lines:

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

What type of boss DPS were you doing? (while tanking, e.g. patchwerk) What about when you were DPSing? (assuming you were DPSing on Maexxna etc)

What glyphs and sigil were you using?

WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Death Knight -> Talent Calculator

I thought that was a better variation (although I could be easily swayed to not get DRW)

I would like to know what is broken with DS and what the glyph does for DS. I'm looking at the glyph and it says it increases DS' damage by 2%?

Maybe I'm not a "good DK" LOL but do you macro every ability and add this at the end so it automagically happens when it's up? I've tried to stay away from macros and programmable keyboard/mouse keys so I'm effective on any computer (read: work hehe) but I'm thinking that I could be more effective with using more of these tools.

Macro's and keybindings are saved server side since 3.0, so that wouldn't be a problem. On a related note, am I the only one who doesn't macro RS? I've tried it and dislike losing control over my RP usage. I can think of quite a few situations where I would rather that using my skills didn't spend 20 RP.

I only don't like this when doing a heroic. I no longer do heroics so this isn't a problem now. I also think that when you do 25man patchwerk with a prot pally for the BoSanc then yes you will wish you had macro'd rune strike into everything.

I don't have it macro'd to anything either because of the same reason. I have Power Aura Classic that flashes up every time the skill lights up and I just hit the button or click it... takes me less then a global cooldown to do so. I don't have it all macro'd cause there are some fights that I like to make sure I'm keeping 20 rp back to use mind freeze or 40 for hungering cold in the case of an add intensive fight. I've been thinking about macroing it into a few abilities to help but in the end, I like controlling my rune power from start to finish.

And like Griefknight says... if I had a prot pally, yeah I'd prolly want it macro'd into everything. But its not that big of a deal, my attack is slow enough the only time i don't catch it is when it lights up just as the swing timer completes.

I have a question now, would MoB be best used with VB or would it be better to use after MoB and use IBF right afterward so that you have some form of CD constantly going?

Actually a deathstrike on single target where the entire heal is effective is better, but normally Obliterate would be more threat. I don't really see how getting annihilation and doing 1 OB every two rotations is better threat than having blood gorged though.

3000 dps on patchwerk, I was using VB, Runestrike and IT with the 54 defense sigil. Believe I was over 6000tps on grobbulus which alleviated some problems used to have there. Was in full tanking gear, I am sure you could go a lot higher if you gemmed threat or whatever. Pretty much the core of the threat is maximizing runestrikes (BoSanc +6% str, +2% str, +9% physical +15% crit from glyph/conviction +10% blood gorged). Threat seems kinda sucky until you get into the death rune 4HS with bloody vengance stacked though. Not sure how well it would work in an environment not suited to runestrike (No BoSanc)

Regardless I thought threat was going to be the worst since blood dps is generally the worst. However the weakness of blood is gcds/death coil and a lot of that is fixed by most of your rp going to rune strike, and your rune strike being the best.

So you think that Rune Strike glyph > DS glyph? (I'm coming from the (3rd tank in the raid role)

I also said screw IMP rune tap and grabbed drw, hysteria, and mark of blood

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=000000000000

Have we confirmed that WotN affects all attacks while you're under 35% HP?

EDIT:I take that back, I was just in a BG and I let some alliance kill me. I was taking 15% less damage from everything while under 35% HP.

Think I've settled on trying out http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=152008050604

We don't have a Prot Paladin, so I won't have BoSanctuary, so I'll let you know how my threat was.
The only thing I'm not convinced about is the Death Strike glyph. There is no way I'll have enough RP to get a significant increase from it. Perhaps getting Blood Strike is better? I'm pretty sure I'll have the FFB debuff on every boss. Or maybe just stick to the Icy Touch glyph. Choices choices :/.

I'll be testing blood tonight in 10man with BoSanc, 5% crit, WF, and battle shout. I'll be sure to post how it goes, maybe even submit a WWS.

52/14/5 This will be my spec if they hotfix OB in time. I'll go with a different form if they don't though.

The glyphs I'll be using are IBF, VB, and RT.

Has anyone confirmed that the Rune Strike macros are in fact not working?

**edit** its working just fine for me