Ah I've seen a couple of pieces that are like 20-30 less def rating than my blues and purples, but I had hoped that it was just a few and not everything O_o. I didn't realize that it was that hard to be def capped in almost full t7 since I would hope it would be cake.

to Lazare: I know it's avoidance and not mitigation, I have no clue why I put that there, and sorry for the typos in the words I really can't spell to save my life : P

oh and if there is in fact nothing wrong with stacking def when the hell do I know to stop and use stam gems?

edit: just changed the wording a bit

1)Yeah sorry i should have said "after the patch"

I came up with THIS. Wasn't sure wether to take subversion or DRM adn teh general consensus seems to say that Spell deflection isn't much use (unless i've got my wires crossed). Also i figure bloodworms would last as long as a month in a blow torch in boss fights. Am i far off?

2)Yeah it's only on damage delt isn't it? I'd stick it on the boss right at teh beggining of a fight mebby whilst healers are getting in position. Plus the extra healing never hurts really ^_^

3)I guess its a a "wait and see whats in Uladar" talent

4)I did read teh previous posts but I'm confused as to which is best for when

5)Fairy nuff i shall cast it aside! *casts aside Virulence* Ha!

6)Certainly the most surreal answer I've had to that one

Heh, what I think he meant to say was '42'. Unless '49' has another connotation i'm not privy to.

In many of my Frost builds, it's coming down to throwing filler points into Icy Reach or Runic Power Mastery. Icy Reach is obviously the better bet for these points is it not? Although I could understand how RPM could help in some situations, I never really see my RP going over 80 or 90 too often to make it worthwhile.

I find myself getting to the 90+ when I have BoSanc and it builds up very fast.
When I have the points in RPM it actually allows me a little breathing room as I get to max very quickly without it.

Namuh,

Windfury totem is raid wide.

Are you including the 5% personal haste IIT gives in addition to the 20% raid wide in your considerations?

1) There's a few things I wouldn't do, but again since it's not been tested yet, it's hard to say. Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft is my base. Subversion is VERY good for threat in a blood build, so I wouldn't skip it. DRM isn't necessary, but it brings you flexibility when you need more Blood runes for whatever you need to do. Skipping Hysteria is a bit of a waste, much more than Mark of Blood in my opinion. I can't really think of a time where mark of blood would really be useful, but Hysteria is useful on every single fight, be it for your own threat if you actually need it, or on a fury war to increases his DPS by a decent boost during bloodlust.

There's floating points in my build so I can get both. You somewhat want to take annihilation if you're taking epidemic imo, and it's a good talent and you go down lichborne anyway so might as well. Outbreak however is pretty much crap in a blood build, since they're moving the pestilence bonus dmg to deep blood, so you'll have the outbreak effect on pestilence, meaning you don't need to waste 3points to bloodboil(they're removing the CD on pestilence too).

Bloodworms can be used on spare points, they're not that good though, they die to AEs and don't heal all that much in tanking gear. Spell Deflection is excelent, but currently bugged(and buggd on PTR too) and conflicts with AMS. If it procs while you have AMS up, it will overwrite the AMS absorb, which means instead of absorbing 75%magic dmg, you'll only absorb 30% from deflection, and gain no RP. Makes it very weak in my opinion but once they fix it, it'll be pretty nice, it procs a lot.

4) You want the runeforge gargoyle like, pretty much anytime you can't reach def softcap with the sigil+your gear and no enchants/gem pretty much. It lets you regem/reenchant on stam/expertise/hit/dodge which is very nice. It's also very close to 4% parry in terms of melee mitigation. You might want to build another set of gear for pure melee mitigation though, especially fights where you get hit a lot, but threat might not be an issue. For this set, you'll craft a Titansteel Defender and put 4% parry on it, giving you the highest melee mitigation currently achievable on weapon. You might need to switch in a def trinket depending on your gear to still be crit immune, that's case by case stuff. So you want to use both for different situations.

You can also mix match it depending on your tastes, there's no absolute ways to gear, but I think this should give the best results overall, normal weap+gargoyle+no enchants/gem def and another set with defender+parry+one piece of high def like a 10man T7 gemmed for def, or a def trinket.



Yeah 42, it was the most random answer I could get but couldn't be bothered to double check wikipedia to find out what number it was.


It is raidwide. Like iIT. It's mostly useless unless you don't have an enhance shaman AND a lot of melee so you actually need the 4 more percents.

well...damnit - too much misinformation on my part than. - I went to Thottbot and pulled the spell and of course the thing says group.

Summons a windfury totem with 5 health at the feet of the caster - the toem provides 16% melee haste to all party members within 30 yards - lasts 5 minutes.

My girl has an enhanc shaman - I just made her log in and yes it's freaking raid wide...
so the Mana Spring totem is group wide though....I hate you blizz sometimes.

As far as the 5% melee haste consideration - haste is haste and if I don't need to provide it to the raid I would rather do without it completely on my DK - the rest of the melee I'm sure would love it.

I'm going to edit my previous posts as my information was incorrect.

Tundra Stalker is being replaced by Vetran of the Third War - otherwise it's a great talent if you are going further south in the tree.

Interested, sure, but I just can't see how Unholy can possibly compare to Frost given the changes.

Unholy is at an inherent threat disadvantage due to the high contribution of the Ghoul and the Gargoyle to Unholy's DPS (which obviously do not translate to threat). The thing that made (and still makes) Unholy so attractive is Bone Shield... but at the 20% mitigation level, when it comes to melee, Frigid Dreadplate alone nearly provides as much damage reduction (3% miss on top of ~60% avoidance is 7.5% DR to Bone Shield's 10% DR assuming 50% uptime)... combine that with the longer IBF, and the now-pretty-good UA, and you start to see Frost pull ahead very significantly when it comes to physical damage mitigation.

Now, Unholy has a lot of great tricks, especially in the anti-magic realm. Chances are that Unholy or Unholy/Blood will still be better for MTing Sarth+3. I don't even think that Unholy was nerfed terribly hard (if at all)... but it is clear that Frost and Blood have received some huge buffs.

What I find interesting is that Blizzard is giving each DK-tank a combination of it's own "flavor" and the "flavors" of each of the other classes.

-Blood tanks will function much like TBC Druids, with huge effective health pools, plenty of armor, great single-target threat, but a weaker "cleave" AoE mechanic.
-Frost tanks will function much like TBC Warriors, relatively moderate in all aspects.
-Unholy tanks will function much like TBC Paladins, kings of AoE, getting a bit of a natural HP boost to make up for the fact that they need to gear more for avoidance to maximize their skillset.

Obviously the comparison is not perfect, but it is pretty decent, especially given how they chose to evolve the Blood tank in 3.0.8...

Probably the first 30pages or so, since everyone is unholy currently(or almost everyone). If you have specific questions I guess you can just ask, but most of unholy tanking has already been covered I guess.

Keep in mind that at that point HB will likely have no cooldown. I might still want Morbidity too, but it will definitely feel like less of an absolute necessity.

In any situation that you need the proc, which is pretty much just bosses, it's always going to be up.