Alandriel

As of my checking on the Ebon Hold training dummy just now:

Frost Fever/ Blood Plague procs it. It's closer to 5% (and raiding reflects that for both myself and an affliction warlock in the guild). I'd heard that it had a 1.2s internal CD, however.

Over 100 UB ticks, it did not proc.

Over 60 D&D ticks, it did not proc.

Gargoyle didn't proc it (not that I expected it to).

It benefits from 200% crit damage but does not seem to scale with spellpower/ attack power that I've seen (as all numbers are within the listed damage range +13% from Ebon Plaguebringer, and the affliction warlock reports the same).

From a raid perspective, it is worth it to me, especially since the crit is never bad.

 

xellos

everwatch covered it a bit in his post. If you didn't sift through the wall of text though, movement speed is invaluable in a raiding environment. It lets you get out of the fire faster and get back to dpsing the boss faster, thus increasing survivability and dps. Additionally, unholy aura allows the raid to enchant their boots with a better dps enchant. Finally, if you're still leveling, movement speed = faster leveling.

 

Broseph

Thank you so much for this informative post, Alandriel. Since you've taken the bait and have started testing the Extract, I wonder if you could answer a couple more questions:

* Does the proc benefit from Rage of Rivendare and/or Blood Presence?

* Can you test the internal cooldown theory? Specifically, can you spread your diseases in an AoE situation and test the results. I'd imagine something like the trash in Black Morass (if you can find someone to tank and can lower your AP enough) would provide a decent enough sample to get some results.

Basically, it's unfortunate - but not unexpected - that the trinket does not proc off of UB and D&D. That said, if it turns out the trinket has no cooldown and procs, in an AoE situation, 5% of the time per disease per target... well it's just been elevated back to droolworthy status.

 

Broseph

c0nscript, if you are that worried about taking the strain off of your healers, a spec that takes an improved, glyphed rune tap will help healers much more than 16k magic absorption every 2 minutes (10% of health restored to every party member every 30 seconds). Something like

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

That said, I am not suggesting folks take this spec unless they absolutely need to help their healers. It shouldn't be an "end game" min/max spec, but could be a "progression" spec if healing were an issue.

 

Alandriel

I'll try to remember to /combatlog our next Naxx clear (I meant to on this one). I should be able to check internal CDs off that. My maximum normal hit was higher than 1312, so it is benefitting from at least Blood Presence, but was too close to conclusively say Rage of Rivendare worked as well. It MIGHT have been Ebon Plaguebringer proc'ing also, so that is rather difficult for me to granulate without multiple respecs.

Other things I noticed today that are unusual:
Death & Decay doesn't benefit from 100% crits. I think this is because it is a ground effect.
Spell hit and melee hit use different values to cap. It appears that the training dummy in the middle of Ebon Hold is a true +3 (looking at my glancing rates). With 306 hit rating, I was at 9.33% melee hit (and thus no misses), but with 0/3 Virulence I missed 5.4%. Spell cast dropdown shows that I had 11.67% spell hit, which should correspond to 5.5% misses (sample size of 56). If you are using a 2-hander and are hitcapped, with a shadow priest type in the raid and no draenai buff to get to the hit cap (and are thus at 295 hit rating), I doubt 3/3 virulence will add as much bonus that 2/3 will, as you should be hit capped (est. 11.5 from hit, 3 from shadow priest, 2 from virulence).

EDIT : Yes, I just doublechecked DPS compendium and spell hit is there. I don't know how I missed that before.

 

Kaelith

Desecration isnt that great for most fights. I was considering removing all my points from it. Unholy aura is fantastic for any fight you have to move (most of them) and helps your entire raid.

 

Melchior

This is nearly the same build I've settled on for now in regards to 17/0/54. The only difference is I have OaPH over Virulence, because with my current hit gear I'm actually slightly over the melee hit cap, putting me at just over 12% spell hit on the paper doll. The points in Virulence or Outbreak, to me, are not worth the convenience factor because of their very small returns.

As for the glyphs, though, I still think that the IT glyph is probably your best option for the third major slot at least up until you get the 4 piece T7 bonus. It allows you more breathing room for your Gargoyle uptime in the situations where the SS glyph doesn't proc, and in the fights where there are periods where you simply cannot be in melee (such as the Heigan dance), it really helps to be able to DC for every 2 ITs until you can get back in melee. With the 4pc T7 bonus I think that is diminished enough that the Bone Shield glyph will probably be more valuable, as recasting Bone Shield is definitely a noticeable DPS loss and postponing that as long as possible while maintaining the 2% damage bonus (as well as not hurting your IT damage) will probably win out.

 

◊ forostie

I think I've refined my tank and spank rotation to a fine art. I was able to sustain 3.7k on 10 man Patchwerk, I expect to do over 4k next week on 25 man. We'll see how it goes though, I may be blood before then *hides*

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Arkolll

Hello everybody

I've searched everywhere but i can't find a clear answer to my general question:

How to choose a two hander as a dps deathknight ? For exemple, take the [Claymore of Ancient Power] and the [Wraith Spear]. The both have the same dps, but the the damage range of the polearm is bigger, and the claymore hit for less but faster. So how, as an unholy dk, can i choose my weapon, to which stats i must look at, the dps of the weapon, the damage range, the speed ? There are so many two handed swords, axes, maces and polearms, i can't choose between them, if the damage range is bigger, maybe all my hits that are XX% of the weapon damage will hit for more isn't it ? Please help me, and the many dk that i'm sure are in front of the same dilema when they must choose a weapon.

 

Cabal

You haven´t searched at all, more like. Or you would have seen the

A treatis on Weapon Speed

thread, for example.

 

mts

Managed to squeeze out 4800-something overall dps on patchwerk 25-man today. No WWS unfortunately since our old WWS'er isn't currently raiding. I dont have the Sigil of Awareness yet. I also haven't gotten around to using the glyph of SS yet, I've grown so accustomed to the current rotation that I've been putting off testing the glyph but I figure I'm gonna do it next raid.

I'm gonna miss Desecration . I think it's a lovely talent.

 

• Lanky

Im not sure I believe you, our overpowered hunters are doing 4500 dps, and I am seeing closer to 3.6 k myself, pet included. Please try to post a WWS if you can, of your 4.8 K dps, because I want to see how you are getting that high.

 

valkyries

Ive been following this thread and I cant see why my dps is so low compared to some of you.
Today we did naxx 10man only 7 bosses though and for example my dps was usually around 2k-2.3k on bosses .
my rotation is IT-PS-BS-BS-SS- gargole (after its gone dc or UB) then SS-SS-SS-DC and reapeat using DC whenever my RP was close to 100.

my spec is the tradicional 17-54 with no desecration and 1 point in notd for ghouls uptime sake, always on blood presence.
I only had might , mark of the wild,endless rage flask , 60ap food and adamantite weightstones as buffs for me.

I have 3150ap and 26% crit selfbuffed with 260hit as I have virulance + SP+draenei in the party all the time.

am i doing something wrong?

thanks

 

mts

I know it seems high I was a little surprised at the recount data myself (compared to last weeks patch). I'm pretty sure it was not bugged since everyone in the raid were getting the same numbers. Here's a rather large image of the recount after Patchwerk (link). Again, that doesn't really prove anything either but just in case. We killed Patch in just after 3 minutes I believe (pretty high raid dps) and I started with gargoyle and kept it up for the whole minute while just going through the rotation normally.

I should have some WWS for next weeks raid even if I have to record it myself.

 

c0nscript

I believe that most of the DPS your seeing from the other Unholy DK's are 25-man. You shouldn't worry..

 

ChaosPhoenix

You're used 2/3 Annhilation for the critbonus, not for the Obliberate proc-chance, right? Since Ebon Plaguebringer brings a 13% increased magic damage debuff with it, what about going 5/5 Black Ice for maximised Icy Touch and Frostfever damage?
On the other hand, if you're going for white damage. Why don't use 2/5 Black Ice and 3/3 Anhilation. Thats 1% extra crit chance and you could use Obliberate with 3 diseases without removing them.

 

Redux

I got this item last night on a sapphiron kill. I haven't had a chance to do extensive testing, but I noticed the proc alone did 20k damage on KT right after. It totaled something like 1.8% of my damage according to recount. It was just like having a Timbal's on my shadow priest in terms of behavior. I'll run a few dummy tests when I get a chance, but it's worth noting that my gear besides this and my 2/5 T7 is not very good (which probably ups the benefit I get from a non-gear based proc like that).

 

• Zurm

On a small enough sample, it is possible to do super high dps. Look at my DPS for Grand Widow... I did second, beating out everyone and almost catching up to our hunter. But my Scourge Strike crit rate for the fight was 68%. If you look at Patchwerk, I did 3500 personal (4100 with ghoul, which the busted WWS doesn't show once the first one dies), but my crit rate on everything was about 5% below what it should have been.

The fight duration and the Sigil he has also greatly helps.

 

Vierbein

I have just switched from Blood spec to unholy, and i have noticed 600 DPS incrase on Heroics so im going to stick with it.

My concern is D&D... When I tanked Instances ( normal ) D&D was third part of my overall dmg. I know that it casuses huge agro, but is it possible to use that with good AOE tank like paladin ?
Maybe someone has an experience with using D&D as dps skill?

 

Davia

I use D&D on basically every trash pull while DPSing in heroics with a warrior tank.

 

Zadus

Looked at your grand widow parse. Any reason you decide to use death coil way more than UB? If im reading this wrong please correct me.

 

• Zurm

On fights that require a lot of movement (in this case, due to rain of fire), I generally prefer to use deathcoil, simply because I don't feel confident that I will always be in range for UB to tick.

In addition, it's a bit of personal failure that I'll often forget to UB and just continue DC spam, but usually on high-movement fights it's mostly intentional. I don't like to take risks, and usually I prefer consistancy. Also, usually in each cycle due to butchery you can *typically* afford one UB and TWO deathcoils.

I usually on AOE pulls will drop a DND, then PS, IT, and Pestilence. Just make sure your tank has initial aggro, or you might die in 25-mans before they can pull the mobs back off you.

 

Zadus

Yeah, i just looked at your parse on Patchwerk. Even then your UB is only 1 percent of your DPS. I don't have any parses to throw at you, but I'm pretty strict with my UB uptime and i noticed much higher dps when i favor it.

Id like to see your numbers with you prioritizing it more because 1 percent of your DPS just seems very very low.

 

• Zurm

Well that parse was before I got 5 upgrades, one of which was my 2-piece bonus. I expect my DPS this week to be significantly higher, especially if Heigan decides to drop his sigil.

 

• Lanky

Nope, I believe you now. I'm just having a hard time determining where you got your 800 extra dps. The fully glyphed and talented ghoul can do 500 dps or so, so typically that put me from 3600 to 4100 if recount could see the ghoul. That said, I just got Betrayer of Humanity last night, so future raids will likely see me in your range of DPS. But you don't have that axe at present, so you must be doing something I am not.