ahz

I almost never use death and decay when dps'ing. I tend to use blood boil much more. I'm wondering if i should eschew that behavior for more dnd spamming?

Typically i'll IT->PS->BS->Pestilance (unless single mob)
Then Scourge Strike and blood boil for the blood runes till there is no more AE (or diseases don't get refreshed from SS Glyph).

Reason I ask is the earlier posted WWS where that DK's damage spread included an absolute ton of DnD damage and very little blood boil.

 

• Zurm

For me in a raid, D&D ticks for well over 400 avg per second per target for 10 seconds, where as Bloodboil hits once for maybe 600. Seems pretty obvious of a choice to me.

 

Mooncrow

For aoe, PS, IT, Pest, D&D, UB seems to be the highest opener I can find. Then SS the MA target, BB and/or pest as needed. Another nice thing about the SS glyph, is I find I almost never have to reapply diseases during trash, as the target I'm assisting on will almost always get a disease refresh that I can pestilence.

 

ahz

Well, DND is UFB where BB is just B. What is your rotation like with DND in the mix?
Blood Boil instead of blood strike seems a natural fit in my current rotation.

I'm guessing you start with DND? so, DND -> IT -> PS -> Pest / SS -> BS -> ...? Then you've got an off pattern of death runes refreshing with your U/F runes making for some odd SS rotations. Thanks for any further clarification.


Edit: And mooncrow you are luckier than I with your glyph procs. It procs a bunch, but too often I find myself having to refresh Frost Fever and Blood Plague manually.

 

dr_AllCOM3

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Actually I did 4,4k on Patchwerk and I was almost always the best melee, right behind the BM Hunters. I even forgot to buff Bone Shield for most of the bosses.
Our pets survive quite good, if the ae affects them at all. Thaddius doesn't kill your Gargoyle (2nd place), Frostbomb also does nothing. The ghoul is pretty much always up.

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Vynde

Quick question, i currently raid blood in my guilds 25man raids. Not really by choice, myself and my guilds other DK who tanks as unholy have found that who ever gets ebon plague on first is the only one to recieve the 3rd disease bonus to our strikes. Perhaps it was a rare occurance, but i found when doing heroics with him because he was the tanking hitting the mob first my dottimer would never tell me ebon plague was up and i noticed a dmg loss in my BS/SS's. Has anyone experienced this? or able to test it?

 

ahz

Yes Vynde this is a known issue. Only 1 Unholy DK may credit for ebon plague at once.

 

• Zurm

The gargoyle DOES however take damage on some fights, I've had it killed a few times (it even gets hit by melee). And even permanent ghoul's actually don't have the avoidance ability other pets have, a blue post states (see point 7). Pet's are entirely unaffected by thaddius' charge, as well as some other boss abilities. Boss abilities that CAN hit pets, however, will absolutely obliterate ghouls (sapphiron's blizzards and tail swipes if it doesn't position correctly, KT's frost tomb, grobbulus's AOE clouds, to name a few).

This information was posted in the DPS Compendium. You should really read it all before asking questions like this, as it can answer all basic questions about the class.

 

dr_AllCOM3

I'm not saying they're immune. It's just not as bad as we thought it is.

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Volkor

I need a bit of help on single target dps rotation. On the boss test dummy i cant seem to get anymore than 2.4k and i follow the usual IT-PS-BS-BS-SS-SS-UD, SS-SS-SS rotation so if 2.4 is under par i can only assume after the final SS i am doing something wrong or since i experience a fair wait between SS's that i should be doing something in between.

After the final SS do you start the IT-PS-BS-BS-SS-SS rotation again even if you dont need to refresh IT or PS or do you just spam SS and DC until you need to and then begin rotation as normal?

I would greatly appriciate if someone could list thier rotation/action in full so i can get some idea of where i may be going wrong.

 

◊ Embar

Confirming that the earlier-mentioned workaround of having the first Unholy DK take 3/3 Ebon Plague and the second Unholy DK in a raid take 3/3 Crypt Fever but *not* Ebon Plague works as far as getting both DKs the benefit of 3 diseases each. The additional benefit is that the 30% disease bonus from Crypt Fever and Ebon Plague stacks.

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pfooti

I use the same mod for things like Rune Strike and Death Trance. The base death trance animation is hard to miss, I suppose, but sometimes I do miss it. And rune strike lighting up is annoying to notice as well. I prefer to keep it hotkeyed, rather than macro'd, mainly because I like micromanaging my RP. I hadn't thought about the nobuff warning, that's a really good idea.

 

Alandriel

Extract of Unholy Power:

Parse from tonight:
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Highest non-crit: 1753.
I'm not aware of a mob we killed that would increase magic reduction, so to get that number involves Blood Prescence, Rage of Rivendare, and Ebon Plaguebringer.

Procs: 91 in 2832 potential procs, for 3%.

Closest time betwen procs that I observed: 17 seconds. I would guess a 15 second ICD.

 

wraxx

According to this...you only did icy touch and plague strike 3 times and only 3 death coils?

I'm guessing this is due to glyph of scourge strike as well as unholy blight being your RP dump along with sustaining a gargoyle?

 

Alandriel

Yes, I got really really good chains with Scourge Strike glyph.

 

dr_AllCOM3

It's 5 IT and 9 DC, crits aren't included.

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everwatch

It's actually quite easy to work in a UB on a Gargoyle. If you wait until one set of Runes comes off CD, and another is about to (while nearly RP capped, or capped), just pop off UB followed by the attacks. Empowered Rune Weapon is always available as a backup if you mess something up. Honestly Zurm I was not using UB before until I read a few things you said and started working it in. I suggest trying it, you'll be surprised how easy it is to maintain with UB.

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Niightblade

Is the DPS Compendium still accurate? I notice it hasn't been updated since the 13th of November.

 

Ten

I used to try sneaking in a UB with gargoyle up, but it's just not worth the risk with a 3m cd in case you get knocked back or have to move or something. Stick to DC; it's only like a 1k damage difference anyway.


Wow Web Stats - WWS from this week's Naxx
For some reason this report is insanely buggy possibly due to the 3-4 second instance lag we were getting last night. It cut out Maexxna completely, split Noth into 3 separate fights and Gothik into 2, and it didn't include my ghoul for any of the fights (any ghouls you see are the second or third ghouls I've summoned, not the first one). Considering that I start every fight off with a fully buffed ghoul and have one up 100% of the time, this means the numbers shown are roughly 85% of my total dps.

Dunno if that's any use to people, but it's basically what a WWS would look like if you were unholy and didn't use a ghoul.

 

everwatch

It is worth it. It's doable. I've been doing it since Zurm made me think about it. You just have to think it out. If you get KB'd etc, that's what IT/Empower Rune Weapon/Blood Tap is for. But you should already know when those are, and plan ahead for them.

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Kintaru

I was wondering how accurate the current version of Rawr is for us death knights? I just got it today and some of the items its saying are my best in slot, do not come out as such when I compare them to other items using the stats listed on the DPS compendium as AP equivalency points. The only way that the current rawr would be accurate is if we dont have to be hit capped, which I was under the impression it had been decided hit is to go to cap.

 

Thrug

I did some testing with regards to EPB, and it appears to count as a disease for all DKs, even though "ownership" of the disease is transferred between the different UH DKs that apply their diseases.

For example: I could IT, and my fellow DK could use bloodboil on that mob (without any of his own diseases). If he applied IT after mine then it would refresh EPB.

 

Davia

Does anyone have decisive numbers yet on trinkets for Unholy? I'm trying to nail down what I should claim as best in slot trinkets for my optimal gear set, and the five obvious choices are:
Mirror of Truth
Loatheb's Shadow
Bandit's Insignia
Extract of Necromatic Power
Fury of the Five Flights

It seems like's Loatheb's Shadow would be nice to leverage with gargoyle, but then you run into the issue of not maximizing its uptime since it's a 2 minute cooldown vs. the 3 minute cooldown on gargoyle. Mirror of Truth also adds a ton of damage to gargoyle if you can cast it while the proc is up, but that's either tied to luck or to shorter fights where you don't need to pop gargoyle early since you know you won't get in a second cast.

Both of the damage proccing trinkets are interesting, and seem to be pretty good for us, but can they both crit on spell crit %age? And do they both get 200% damage spell crits?

Fury of the Five Flights would be a good trinket on any fight where you're in constant contact with a boss, but without dual wielding it doesn't seem like it will stack quickly for us compared to a rogue or warrior on any fight where you lose melee range for 10+ seconds.

 

aldy

In response to Volkor, I don't think there is anything wrong with 2,400 dps on a target dummy. I did a few 5 minute tests of various things today and I was around 2,350 (only buff was Horn). You'd be surprised how much your dps increases when you and your ghoul are 25man buffed and fighting a debuffed boss; it should be in the upper 3,000s depending on the fight. I have been terribly unlucky and won practically no gear in 25mans, so I'm running with mostly a heroic/crafted gear set.


As for the DnD discussion, you should be using it on trash without a doubt. It is my number one source of damage on trash, ticking for an average of 650 every second on every mob and it can crit. I would recommend IT,PS, pest, DnD, UB, since opening with DnD on the pull can 1) cause aggro problems 2) end up being out of place. On the second rotation of runes I SS the main target and use bloodboil.

Trash is obviously no problem Wow Web Stats, and with some gear I should be able to continue placing high on single-target boss fights.

 

aldy

Don't forget the new Darkmoon deck of Nobles, +90 str with a +300 str proc that apparently averages out to an additional +~100 str, making it the best trinket in game at roughly +190 str.

Darkmoon Nobles Deck - Quest - World of Warcraft