Verne

I got a mail from Blizzard that there indeed was a hotfix for it today. Hopefully it works this time.

 

Platelock

Hey guys,

Ive been reading this forum off and on for a lil while now and have noticed that you guys are putting up more then 5k dps on patchwerk.. I am just about done with endgame gear but just can't break the 5k bench mark.. It may be my rotation but im not 100 percent sure..

here is a post of my wws from patchwerk last time we raided.

http://wowwebstats.com/kuajnsglrmtsw...435&a=x276d868

Thanks for the help,
Plate

 

Tenaka

Could probably use more info.
Like your rotation, are you raiding in PvP gear? Or did you just log out in it?
Did you use AotD? If so, WWS doesn't track it. My DPS is 4307 on WWS but 5400+ with WMO.
Are you raiding with that current spec (21/0/50)?

 

Stoical

Compare all your numbers to a good 17/0/54 parse in the top dps thread.

At a glance: You have 39 ticks of Unholy Blight in a 176s fight. It looks like you're either not using the SS glyph or not paying attention to it, as you used PS 11 times and IT 12 in a sub-3m fight (for reference, I only used PS and IT 4 times each on my last 2 Patch kills, and each of those kills was only about 2-4s faster than yours). That 11/12 number also suggests you let Blood Plague fall off but kept up Frost Fever, which is confirmed by your having 3 more ticks of Frost Fever than Blood Plague. I have 5 more ticks of BP uptime than you do, which is 15 more seconds despite having a 6s shorter fight. Your ghoul tried to Gnaw Patchwerk. You used Obliterate once.

 

Platelock

Sorry about that.. Yea I logged out in pvp gear.. I normally wear 4/5 val and use the obsidian helm.. trinkets im using the mirror and the greatness card.. the only thing I need is to replace my Girdle of the Ascended Phantom with the Razuvious belt.. Everything else is just about BIS..

Rotation wise im using.. IT, SS, Plague strike, 1 blood strike.. then plague strike everytime it is up.. I have the plague strike glyph so im trying to watch the procs more.. Using garg when bloodlust is up.

edit.. and spec im using is the cookie cutter 17/0/54 build at the top of the page.

 

Stoical

You're mixing up SS and PS.

 

Platelock

Yea I mistyped that.. I do PS then SS and use that everytime it is up.. Its weird I feel like im doing everything right but just can't hit the 5k mark..

 

Tenaka

I don't think T7.5 Breastplate are BIS for 17/0/54. I like [Breastplate of Frozen Pain] better.
And BIS for Hands can be a few things. Something with hit like [Crude Discolored Battlegrips] if you need it, or something with expertise like [Zeliek's Gauntlets]

And your rotation is wrong...
PS->IT->BS->BS->SS
SS->SS->SS

Use PS->IT (Not SS for glyph proc) if your DoTs have less then 5s remaining

 

Platelock

Right on.. Just read that.. yea next naxx I am def going to concentrate on my timers on my dots.. I have the rotation down just not being efficient with it at all.

 

Foxx2405

There are a few replies already, which weren't there when I was starting this reply so i'll just keep my reply the same.

One of the things I noticed is that your unholy blight uptime isnt 100%, you only used it twice, which is 40 seconds out of the 177 seconds dps time. This is a dps loss.
With 4x T7 (which you have), its even relatively easy to keep up UB with gargoyle out as well.

Second is that your rotation is way off.
Always start with PS and then do IT after that. The reason is that PS enables Rage of Rivendare's 10% damage increase. The only exception for some is when running in, although even then i do it because i hate that it starts the frost CD early. So just always execute your diseases like: "PS>IT".

You should have the scourge strike glyph (and not the plague strike glyph, that one is useless).
So as far as runes go you're basically doing this (in priority):

1. Refresh diseases when needed
2. Spam SS whenever you have a FU or DD rune
3. Use BS whenever you have Blood runes.

Some people claim there is some kind of 5 second rule for number 1. "Refresh your diseases at 5 seconds". I personally find that nonsense, and i think its a misinterpretation from some of mine and others' previous posts.

You refresh the diseases when they have run out OR when they are about to run out but you can't refresh them right after they do.
The "5 second rule", was merely stated because thats a nice mark to think ahead. You can see how many UF/DD runes you have available and when the unavailable ones become available.

If my diseases have 2 seconds left and i have UF runes up, i use SS unless i dont have access to another UF set right after they ran out. This is usually the case right before either use 2x BS or before a rune dump at the end of a cycle.
You want your disease uptime to be at (or as close to) 100%, however refreshing early isn't optimal either, so a good player looks ahead in time what his options are. THAT is where the 5 second rule comes in (unless people disagree on this), because if you start looking when the timer hits 1 second, its can already be too late, you might have just used your last set of UF runes.

Ok if we have that out of the way, and we assume your rotation is "perfect" the next time.
And you keep UB up as close to 100% as possible.

There is 2 more things:

1. Did you use Army of the Dead ?
I see in the WWS logs that AotD ghouls DID attack, but i can't tell if they were yours. That's why i personally prefer WMO myself.

Also for the AotD. My understanding is that at the moment there are 2 ways of using them, you either:
a) Use them right at/before the pull, this way you wont lose much if any "real time" dps.
b) Use them when all your buffs are up, for max hitting AotD, however you do lose dps time on this.

I'm personally not really sure which of the 2 give higher dps. I'm always tempted to use the second purely because our raids are common to have "Ow wait i still need....." right before pulls

Always great when you launch AotD only to have it die because someone was still missing a buff :P

2. The other thing is Gargoyle. I checked your log and it seems you weren't fully buffed upon summoning. You only had blood fury and Fallen Crusader proc from what i could see.
The reason was probably due to bloodlust running out (you summoned GG when BL had 2 seconds left).

Now for me personally the way gargoyle works with buffs is still pretty unclear. So I'm also not sure what the best time is to summon the gargoyle.
And which buffs gain priority.

However what i do know is that within 1 bloodlust duration you will have at least 1 greatness proc. I personally tend to use it in that small window.
Again I don't know IF that is best, and HOW gargoyle really works with buffs like bloodlust. However it is worth considering to increase your DPS.

 

Platelock

Thank you soooo much for that reply.. Can't wait to get in there and try the new changes.

 

Sekke

Assuming 4pT7 is worth it to keep (which I'm pretty sure most people do) T7.5 BS is BIS, with [Obsidian Greathelm] as the offpiece.

 

Tenaka

Really? I was thinking this (80 Orc Death Knight) would be the ultimate setup for a 17/0/54 build. Please correct me if I'm wrong so I don't waste anymore DKP on items I don't need :P

Thanks.

 

Stoical

4-piece is huge, there's no item that's good enough to justify equipping over a 7.5 piece if it would mean losing your set bonus. Which 5th piece you swap out and for what will vary depending on what you have. My guild hasn't had a single Frozen Pain chest drop, for example, so it's an easy choice for me, I use Obsidian Greathelm and the other 4 pieces. The first post of this thread has a good setup that swaps in Frozen Pain for the 7.5 chest instead.

 

Darku

Highest DPS gear differs from the first page post.

If there are any items I overlooked, feel free to comment.

 

Malcophant

It doesn't affect the gear, but in your setup you are missing a blue gem (only have one in the helm). Other than that, that setup is the same as I came up with for best in slot.

 

• frmorrison

BiS would include the 27 strength Jewelcrafting only gems, especially since you include the other best profession Blacksmithing.

Also, ignoring the JC gems, the blue 8 strength/12 stamina has been around since 3.0.8, so you don't want to use the 7 strength gem.

DK - Ashbane Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.

 

Kasac

I have an Unholy Death Knight in my guild who has been using an Unholy/Frost spec, and i was wondering if it is a viable spec, or is he doing so well on damage because he is well geared. I have a friend looking to do what ever he can to improve his DPS and started to look at other specs other then Cookie Cutter 17/0/54 but before I advise him to tryout Unholy Icy Talons build, I would like to know the flaws and pit falls. Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft is the spec he was planning to use.

 

Sekke

Why would you get Annihilation AND Scourge Strike? Annihilation is mostly for Obliterate, which you do not use as Unholy. The only builds that really go deep Unholy and then into frost are either PvP builds or DW builds. As far as I know there isn't really a raiding 2H spec that's competitive that's set up like the spec you posted.

EDIT: Additionally, Outbreak is considered to be a pretty bad talent overall, as is Desecration (with SS Glyph you should hardly ever be using PS anyways). Those points would be better spent in Virulence, Unholy Aura, and Night of the Dead (which just turns it into the standard Unholy build, as far as Unholy talent choices go).

 

Kasac

I Think his reasoning for Annihilation was 3% crit, I know he does not plan to use Obliterate. As for the other talents I will look into that and see what he thinks.

 

Sekke

Cookie cutter Unholy gets Dark Conviction, which is 5% crit on EVERYTHING, not just specials like Annihilation. Black Ice and Glacial Rot are near useless for Unholy as well, for the same reason as Outbreak: if you're watching for SS Glyph procs IT will be a really small portion of your DPS (though I guess an argument might be made for Black Ice in that it affects Frost Fever). Regardless, the talents you get in Blood are way better than anything you'd get in Frost. Your friend should go DW, that will get the most utility out of the two trees if he really insists on wanting to go Frost/Unholy.

 

Darku

Aye noted, I made this template a while ago hence the gemming, on my own character I have Jewelcrafting + Blacksmithing now as well changing those gems options a bit around.

Changes added in

 

Cabal

How can threads be useful for serious discussion if they often deevolve into whole pages of "can you look at my armory" type posts? Of course there will always be those requests, but if others refrain from answering by repeating basic and easily searchable information, at least it will be manageable.

Seriously, there are two stickied threads that A) contain EVERYTHING you need to know, and B) also provide a place to ask simple answers, lets use them? Please?

 

Fugazor

One JC gem should go to shoulders instead of gloves (4 STR > 4 crit). Also [Breastplate of Frozen Pain] + [Girdle of Chivalry] might be a better combo.

 

Sekke

This leaves you with a woeful lack of Expertise. I'd say it's really a matter of preference, though I find misses and dodges to be especially annoying as Unholy.