Cabal

You are quite right, in fact in the PTR there were already a couple of bosses (Mimiron phase 3 comes to mind, Razorscale as well) where I was asked by tanks to specc into subversion as unholy. Im going as 12/0/59 upon 3.1 launch.

 

Nastrodamus

I have been looking over the post and I have come up with what looks to be close to what I think will be best for me and my single target DPS 12/0/59 but I have a couple of minor questions to tweak the spec so to speak. Would I gain more DPS from taking the UB glyph over the DC glyph IF i did not have points in Morbidity? The next question is should I bother trying to put any points in morbidity or stick with necrosis at 5/5? I think this has been commented on but I am unclear on if I should put 2/3 in morbidity and 3/5 in necrosis or go with all of those points into necrosis. I believe Amroo answered this somewhere but for some reason I can't find what I read about it. Could someone PM me an example of the cookie cutter 0/10/61 spec with suggestions on glyphs if it's not the already popular - SS, Ghoul and Dark Death glyphs.

Thanks!

Side note sort of question:
If Zurm is not playing the DK anymore (or playing it much less) then does someone have another thread coming up with the "new found specs/stats/must have's for Unholy". I know there is a 3.1. big changes thread but that's more for all DK's and I am thinking an updated version for Unholy.

 

• Mongoe

Just curious if anyone's tried a build with points across all three.

I've been tweaking around with a 7/10/54 which, while it misses Bladed Armor, gives the threat, rp and 2h bonus of blood with the joys of the new Black Ice. The cost on the Unholy side seems relatively light. I'm basically culling the nerfed Necrosis, Imp Unholy Presence and a point of Wandering Plague.

Thoughts?

 

shed

Just wondering if anyone's gone over the retuned gear and come up with a best in slot gear list for Unholy in 3.1?

 

Sekke

Doubtful, since not all the gear is known yet.
EDIT: Although, from what IS known, T7>T8, with the current best off-piece being Plated Leggings of Ruination. So there's 5 right there.

@Mongoe: I believe this was asked earlier, and the consensus seemed to be that the talents you would miss out in Unholy are worth more than the talents you would be gaining in Blood.

Il dolce far niente.

 

Barlok

Could someone please fill me in on the optimal single target rotation come 3.1 for both 12/0/59 and 0/10/61?

Do they change at all from what they are now?

What is the proper AOE rotation come 3.1 using either of those two new specs?

I still haven't decided which to go with and will experiment with both but am kind of thinking it'll be a good idea to keep the threat reduction for now since I just started playing the game again a few weeks ago and still have a little bit of raid rust.

Thanks for the replies guys, I read the whole thread now but still haven't found a very clear answer as to if there are any changes required to the rotation. Very productive day at the office!

 

fractionzz

The rotations are identical to 17/0/54.

 

Jastool

I have the sme question as Barlok. So would the single target rotation be as follows?

IT-PS-BS-BS-SS-UB-DC
SS-SS-SS-DC-DC and 1/2 DC

If this is it what would be the optimal point to insert a ghoul frenzy?

Also wold the AOE rotation be:

DnD>PS>IT>PT
SS>BB>SS>BB with an UB thrown in somewhere?

 

Amroo

Answer to first & second question:
One GF per minute is thrown in with Blood Tap (preferably right after the SS that just used the Death Runes you got from BS). The second GF per minute needs to use up one of your SS, preferably the Death Rune one, since you can then use the other Death Rune for your biggest single-rune-nuke, which should be PS after 3.1 (not sure there, though).

[edit: An addition about the rotation - your first set only creates 75 RP, so you need to use HoW before your very first rotation (when running to the mob or something). After that your second set always creates 10 additional RP (which is actually only 1/4 of a DC) and the RP from Butchery (if skilled) accumulates, so you shouldn't run into trouble after your very first set anymore.]

Answer to third question:
Yes.

 

Sekke

Unless your Ghoul is in danger of dying a lot, it has been shown that GF is a DPS loss. Even if you pop Blood Tap right after using a Blood Rune (so it comes back up at the same time it normally would) it would probably be better to save BT for Bone Shield. From everything I've read, GF is situational. Most people will probably take it (since we don't get insta-Ghoul anymore) but only needs to be used when your Ghoul's life is in danger.

Il dolce far niente.

 

Drenhar

Personally, i go:

DnD > PS > IT > pestillence > BB > UB > BB

Lets me top out around 4k on trash packs if theres at least 3 mobs in the affected area.

 

Jastool

Another quick question

For the following rotation:

IT-PS-BS-BS-SS-UB-DC
SS-SS-SS-DC-DC

Is there a benefit or draw back to using BB in the rotation instead of BS? If you do use BB does the rotation change?

 

NeuronRider

Yeah, you can't do 3 Scourge Strikes in the second half of the rotation. Lacking Death Runes for it and all.
Not to mention the damage loss.

 

Okiesmokie

Reaping is changed in 3.1 to proc death runes when Blood Strike or Pestillence is used, not Blood Boil.

Reaping - Spell - World of Warcraft

 

Dachef

Is the unholy rotation the same if you have 4 piece tier 7?..or should I be dumping a death coil between the last 2 scourge strikes?

 

Ashur25

You should be using Death coil when

a) your next rune using ablitiy would put you over 100 RP
b) you have a free GCD between 2 rune using abilities

 

RTycho

Quick numbers question: I've got 4pc T7, but no helm. Planning on running 0/10/61, is it better to use Obsidian and 4pc, or Obsidian and Frozen Pain both, dropping the bonus?

 

Sekke

Have you even read anything in this thread? 4P T7 is so good that it's not worth breaking ever, even for T8.

Il dolce far niente.

 

Javahead

I've been thinking around a bit about doing a macro for Blood Tap and Ghoul Frenzy, seeing as most people would probably use Blood Tap for Ghoul Frenzy. Now, I'm completely retarded when it comes to macro's, but would something like this do? Meaning that if I bind it to say, Q, pressing it would mean I use Blood Tap, and doing Alt + Q would give Ghoul Frenzy? As I said, I'm really, really bad with macro's and if someone with better knowledge than me could confirm that it would work (or come up with a better one) or not I'd be glad. Can't really test it myself since patch goes live tomorrow for us Europeans.

 

Amroo

Since the whole off-GCD-thing with Blood Tap is slightly bugged you actually need to press this button twice in a row (no need to wait in between the pushes, just two quickly in a row). No need to use conditionality tags.##

edit: If you want a macro that also does Blood Tap without doing GF so that you can use the death rune for something else your macro would probably work.

 

Stankyleg

What presence would you stand in for both 0/10/61 and 12/0/59? im just reading this thread trying to catch up a lot to read though

 

reflexdk

Indeed, would it therefore not be better to replace your typical death runed SS with a pestillence / GF combo every other rotation, assuming you had glyph of disease? That would almost guarantee 100% disease up-time along with glyph of SS

 

Rocketius

Blood Pres. It should have this in the OP and it hasn't changed even if the spec has.

 

Sekke

No, it wouldn't be better. First, there's no room for Glyph of Disease. Ghoul, SS, and Dark Death is what everyone with 4P T7 should be running (without 4P then UB Glyph is better than Dark Death). Since 4P T7>T8 this Glyph setup won't change for a long time.

Besides that, GF is a DPS loss (as I posted already on this very same page). It shouldn't be part of any normal rotation, and is better used situationally. Some have suggested using Blood Tap for Ghoul, however it seems like saving Blood Tap for Bone Shield is a better idea.

With the increased duration on diseases, plus Epidemic, SS Glyph will proc more often than ever (well, not more often, but longer lasting diseases mean more chance to proc before diseases fall off), making Glyph of Disease unnecessary, even if we had room for it.

Il dolce far niente.

 

ahri

Sorry to just pop in like this, but can anyone confirm if they fixed Ebon Plague from multiple Unholy DKs in the raid?

Thanks.