Unholy DPS Discussion - Page 87

Foxx2405 · 04/14/09, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by reflexdk

Indeed, would it therefore not be better to replace your typical death runed SS with a pestillence / GF combo every other rotation, assuming you had glyph of disease? That would almost guarantee 100% disease up-time along with glyph of SS

Glyph of diseases is a dps loss.

The loss of 1 Blood strike (because you swap one for a PT) every rotation, is bigger than the swap from 1 SS to 1 IT + 1 PS every once in a while (average is probably around once per 2-3 rotations).

Originally Posted by Sekke

Besides that, GF is a DPS loss (as I posted already on this very same page). It shouldn't be part of any normal rotation, and is better used situationally. Some have suggested using Blood Tap for Ghoul, however it seems like saving Blood Tap for Bone Shield is a better idea.

Actually Ghoul Frenzy is a dps gain. The only problem is that its hard to build your rotation around it. But if you use one of your death runes for GF and the other for an IT or a BS, you'd actually gain more dps than you would with an extra SS.

I did calculations on that a few pages back.

methods · 04/14/09, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by ahri

Sorry to just pop in like this, but can anyone confirm if they fixed Ebon Plague from multiple Unholy DKs in the raid?

Thanks.

Yes. If someone is willing to repost a new Unholy 3.1 thread I'll do what I can to help (time permitting).

Sekke · 04/14/09, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Foxx2405

Actually Ghoul Frenzy is a dps gain. The only problem is that its hard to build your rotation around it. But if you use one of your death runes for GF and the other for an IT or a BS, you'd actually gain more dps than you would with an extra SS.

I did calculations on that a few pages back.

Missed that, and it looks good. Is the SS damage you use in your calculations based off PTR numbers or Live? As I recall, SS damage was boosted (well, base was nerfed, but higher after diseases). Might make up for the difference, unless, of course, you were using PTR SS in your calcs anyways (or unless I'm just wrong about SS hitting harder on the PTR...I know it was in the notes at some point!) Also, if it was done with PTR numbers were you in 0/10/61 or 12/0/59? The addition of Black Ice would boost SS damage even more (unless it doesn't affect SS...which I see no reason for it not to).

Whether it's a loss or a gain, it's still a talent I will pick up, and would recommend others to. It just feels a little cumbersome to use in a regular rotation. I still like the idea of using BT for Bone Shield (though there may be some fights where this is unnecessary). If it does end up being a gain, though, I will force myself to use it!

Overall, though, it's 7:20 in the morning and I haven't slept in over 24 hours and I'm feeling cranky and argumentative, half of everything in this post is probably flat-out wrong.

Jastool · 04/14/09, 1:47 PM

So is there a spreadsheet or a website like other classes have that can help determine BiS equipment?

Krayte · 04/14/09, 2:18 PM

A point that I haven't noticed anyone bring up yet:

Blood plague and frost fever both last 15 seconds untalented now (up from 12). In order to retain the same disease-duration in 3.1 as in 3.0*, one need only put one point in Epidemic. This frees up at least one point to be put into Necrosis.

Sythral · 04/14/09, 2:24 PM

Originally Posted by Krayte

A point that I haven't noticed anyone bring up yet:

Blood plague and frost fever both last 15 seconds untalented now (up from 12). In order to retain the same disease-duration in 3.1 as in 3.0*, one need only put one point in Epidemic. This frees up at least one point to be put into Necrosis.

I would think you would rather keep the point in epidemic so that you can continue to SS longer.

Milaz_ · 04/14/09, 2:46 PM

Originally Posted by shed

Just wondering if anyone's gone over the retuned gear and come up with a best in slot gear list for Unholy in 3.1?

Indeed, would be nice to know what to roll on tonight!

A question to Method first : may I ask you to post your values for stat coefs for 0/10/61? I think I only saw those for 12/0/59. Thanks a lot in advance! With those numbers we should be able to start calculating an estimate for the best in slot gear.

The T7 chest is poorly itemized, I personally wear the undiminished battle plate on chest. I would intuitively be tempted to upgrade chest and keep the other pieces because off gearing the legs, as someone suggested, would force me to downgrade my chest to the T7 one... But this is no math, only my natural tendency. Hopefully, Methods will post his numbers and we'll be able to calculate for sure.

Shimerra · 04/14/09, 3:20 PM

Originally Posted by Krayte

A point that I haven't noticed anyone bring up yet:

Blood plague and frost fever both last 15 seconds untalented now (up from 12). In order to retain the same disease-duration in 3.1 as in 3.0*, one need only put one point in Epidemic. This frees up at least one point to be put into Necrosis.

It's been brought up a few times and discussed in length, the additional diseases time allows for more scourge strikes and less disease refreshes over the course of the fight. Max epidemic.