Just out of curiosity, whats the average DPS everyones pulling as DW atm?

Im using a 27/44 build as stated in the quote and i'm pulling about 2.9k-3k sustained dps. (This is on PTR)

The exact build is This (for ptr)

The gear im using is seen here

I'll post up some screenshots later today once the server gets back up :\ lol

Screenies: o.O






Keep in mind the end DPS is what my dps shows after drop-off dmg occurs from my plagues :\

Glyphs:
Icy Touch
HoW
Dark Death
Ghoul
Raise Dead
Lets not talk about my last 1 because i just tossed in a blood tap -_-...

Rotation (In Imp. Unholy) :
It-ps-bs-bs-it-ps-DC rune dump
it-ps-it-it-it-ps-DC rune dump

I didn't have the data from the earlier sample, but I ran a new 100 DC sample for you. Horn of Winter and Frost Fever were up for every one. AP for my transfer character was 3,410 with HoW up. FC and CG were Runeforges.

Per Recount:

Hit:
Min - 1,516
Avg - 2,002
Max - 2,660

Crit:
Min - 3,169
Avg - 4,336
Max - 6,177

Was Blood Plague up for RoR? And I wanted to know this because I wanted to see if a DC based build that focused on DC could be done, but it doesn't produce the Damage that I would like to see though...

EDIT: Actually now that I think about it, These are self-buffed so a DC-centered build could possibly be plausible. There is the 2pT8 and the new Sigil to help with damage also.

As this was that deep frost build I had referenced earlier, I didn't have RoR, but TS up, which is an additional 5% damage, but doesn't bring Impurity. Running the 10/10/51 build I do recall that the numbers for DC were slightly higher from BA and Impurity, but only in the range of a few hundred more damage with the same gear.

EDIT: Or Bone Shield or Desecration, for that matter. Regardless, DC still just doesn't hit that hard even with the Glyph.

Ohhh yeah, I'm stupid, I forgot about that. That really really does change some of the DC damage then. You're adding RoR, BA, Desecration, Impurity, the glyph (if you didn't have it). Then on top of that, you can add the Sigil and 2pT8. I speculate you could see some 3k non-crits after all of that.

EDIT: You can also add EP to that little list.

i said avrange of 4,5k dmg when criting. it does indeed crit for 5+k sometimes but also for less sometimes

Using Kahorie's simulator with my current gear set (4/5 T7.5, near BiS) I'm finding that 10/10/51 DW is simming ahead of 0/10/61 Unholy.

10/10/51:

Glyphs - IT, Dark Death, Ghoul
MH/OH - Hailstorm (FC)/Hailstorm (RI) Note: I tried Silent Crusader/Hailstorm but fast/fast was simming ahead by a couple hundred DPS.
Sigil - Frozen Concience (Though the DC sigil adds ~100 DPS if it's used)
Presence - Unholy
Priority - UB > DC > IT > PS > BS
DPS - ~5000


0/10/61:
Glyphs - SS, Dark Death, Ghoul (correct me if I'm wrong here)
Weapon - BoH (FC)
Sigil - Awareness
Presence - Blood
Priority - SS > BS > UB > DC
DPS - ~4300

52/2/17:
Glyphs - DS, Dark Death, DRW
Weapon - BoH (FC)
Sigil - Awareness
Presence - Blood
Priority - Diseases > HS > DS > DC
DPS - ~4900

As a note I'm perfectly willing to accept that I'm doing something wrong with the two handed specs in the sim. If someone else wants to run two handed specs through the sim and make tweaks to them as I did to maximize the 10/10/51 spec and rotation please feel free. It's just nice to see that maybe DW isn't as dead as some people think it is.

Expertise I'm guessing. Also are you changing the character sheets for the tests?

Afabar: I'm saying with the new sigil which increases FS and DC damage by 380, which makes it a lot easier to reach that. And by Curse of Elements, did you mean EP? Because I thought curse of elements was Reduced Resistance by 165 + 13% more damage which would be more than you said. And usually won't EP be up instead of CoE?

Please delete.

I have two character sheets set up. One in my current gear with two one handers and the other with BoH.

But do you change gear sets to meet 2h needs? or do you just keep it in haste gear and low Expertise is what I'm asking.

143 haste, 65 expertise. Haste is far less useful for the newer DW builds that use unholy presence.

What build are you using that uses UP? the DnD build?

10/10/51

It sims better in unholy presence than blood. Try popping it into the sim with this priority sheet:

Blood Tap
Unholy Blight
Death Coil
Frost Fever
Blood Plague
Blood Strike
Icy Touch
Plague Strike

I'd be interested to see what other people are simming at with different gear levels. I'm averaging just under 5100 if I use the death coil sigil, 5000 with frozen conscience.

Looking at you gear levels, you must be using some low stats, I was getting around 5.1k with no ghoul for blood, and about 5.4k with Unholy + Ghoul. I get DW builds at around 5.0-5.3k

Just tested yours and got ~5.4k in UP, ~5.2k in BP

EDIT: One thing we have to remember is this is a simulator, Actual playstyle will determine how well a build does....

Just wanted to add that I went through what's currently known for drops on the PTR and ran a sim based off those stats. Came out with just over 6300 DPS. Bear in mind that the best DPS one hander we have seen is only iLevel 226. Not sure what 2h builds are doing in the current theorhetical BiS gear.

I see posts where people are freaking out about losing Frost as a 2H tree. But what's wrong with a talent on the same row as Hungering Cold that says:

Your Obliterate and Frost Strike hit with both weapons. In addition, if you have only one weapon equipped Obliterate and Frost Strike deal 5% extra damage.

Balance that out a bit with percentages and now DW becomes much better and 2H is left alone.

or add something to NoCS

Increases your chance to hit with one-handed melee weapons by 1/2/3% and allows the weapon damage of your Obliterate, Plague Strike, Blood Strike and Frost Strike to benefit from 33/66/100% of your off hand weapon damage.


course balance the % so DW doesn't go over the top like before

I'm fairly certain they wouldn't add into NoCS. It sounded from the post as though they were considering making the frost tree the official DW tree, in which case they wouldn't put the star DW talent where it would be accessible to, and therefore exploitable by, the other talent trees. If we get a strike that works off both weapons it'll be pretty deep in the tree.

that's true..could always move NoCS down the tree but meh...who knows what blizz will do to make frost the "dw" tree...most likely alot of changes to FS and whatnot maybe, who knows.

This is not the thread for making completely random guesses about what new talents or abilities may be added in future patches based on a vague blue post.

for the builds that use UB as well as DC, has anybody done comparisons between the Dark Death glyph (+15% dmg to DC) and the UB glyph (+10 secs on UB)? because the way I see it, the fewer times you have to cast UB the more you can spend your RP on the DCs. it basically equates to a free DC every minute (2 UB a min instead of 3 UB a minute). I was just wondering because Im not that good at doing all the comparisons and napkin math type stuff. basically, which is better: a 15% dmg boost to DC or an extra DC every minute?