just did a test on boss dummy as 32/39

since armory is down i'm just gonna list my stats/gears

using double hailstorms, left-hand razorice, right hand FC, using IT sigil, mirror of truth, greatness, NO t7 bonus

after buff:
1.31% haste
1347 str
3557 AP
12.26% melee to hit
15.32 spell to hit
25.62% melee crit
15.31% spell crit
11 expertise

everything is self-buffed, bone shield, horn of winter, desecration, orc racial blood fury, use ghoul

starting rotation used: PS-IT-HB-BS-BS, then use priority system, PS when desecration is down>HB>IT=DC if rune is close to full>BS when blood rune is up, and i tried to fit 1 HB every other 4 GCD. pop gargoyle when at least 2 out of 3 proc is up(mirror,greatness,FC)

result dps: 3.1k with the boss dummy at 60% hp (merciless combat inactive)

dps looks about the same pre-patch, but i had a few gear upgrade(only minor, about 100AP or so and some haste). also before i tested pre-patch the boss dummy's at 1hp, my pre-patch dps result was around 3.3k


edit: i just noticed necrosis is counted in my dps it is no longer 1 on the dummy(since it has hp), necrosis accounts for 6% of my overall dps

So I've been following this thread for a day or two taking in all the info I could...

I know this is not a criticism thread, but I would like a little bit if you wouldnt mind.

I just did a test on a boss training dummy and got the following...



Everything is self buffed (horn...), I used a gargoyle to full duration and a ghoul, I decided roughly 500000 damage was a good time to stop, Necrosis did a total of 243 damage on it though, dunno why it tweaks out on dummies like that.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Heres my armory, Check my spec in there... I hope this helps your guys numbers, and feedback is appreciated =).

EDIT: Forgot my rotation:

PS > IT > HB > BS > BS> FS dump
HB > Obli > FS > HB > FS

Essentially, you want to cast HB first because, priority-wise it's the hardest hitting attack. It honestly doesn't matter if you cast it before or after the BSs but if a mob is about to die, and you are in the middle of your rotation, would you rather BS for 512 or HB for 7000?

Are you looking at WWS? Perhaps you could post a parse. WWS does a horrible job of representing DK dps because it can't track our ghoul properly. It also doesn't handle AotD. I prefer Recount and WoWMeterOnline. And I definitely recommend consulting all three in a post-raid analysis to make sure you have seen all the angles. The other key factors are pet management and popping your garg when Mirror of Truth and FC procs. Your second trinket isn't helping you much - you're missing out on a lot of attack power. I would also recommend the IT sigil. It takes 5 minutes to get.

As far as your spec goes, I'd take a point out of Merciless Combat and put it into Crypt Fever if you absolutely MUST have NotD. But that's up for debate. Can't give you anymore advice without seeing a breakdown. Again, it might just be looking at the wrong thing or something as simple as low time-on-target or not always standing behind your target. It was just brought to my attention that you could drop CF altogether, but to my knowledge you don't run with another UH DK so I wouldn't recommend it at this time. NotD is huge if you can get it.

Questionable Napkin Math:
1 point in Merciless Combat is worth 6% on 30% of your dmg for 35% of the fight = .6% of total dps
1 point in Crypt Fever is worth 10% on 8% of your dmg for 100% of the fight = .8% of total dps

Just did Naxx last night, here is the WWS parse and here is the WMO breakdown. Embar is the real brains of the operation but she prefers a 44/27 build with a 2-hander.

Note: on the WWS we place 9th and 11th on Patch and on the WMO we place 3rd and 6th. I didn't see the Recount but there's a large discrepancy with WWS, as has been noted many times before.

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/v...9_204918-1.jpg

Pwerk tonight, 32/39, Dual Hailstorm, AotD, gargoyle not optimized. Its no 7k, but its not bad.

Dps was pretty much around 5500 on every fight, top 3 typically.

Sooooo did 25 naxx tonight and my dps sucked compared to what it was - whatever.


I do however have a question. I picked up a last laugh off KT for dps.

After like 30 minutes of dummy testing using grasscutter / angry dread / last laugh:

My baseline auto attack DPS with angry / grass was 650

angry / last laugh - 670 (nothing really here at all)

last laugh / grass - 800

last laugh / angry - 900


So it would appear fast / slow is doing the most damage. These were all 3 minute parses with only horn of winter going. Granted weapon dps comes into play here - but i was thinking and I can't see how i'd be gimping myself in any way shape or form to have my weapons setup like that.

Also after reading over the post above about PPM and BCB etc - it seems fast / fast is somehow the way to go? I was under the impression that slow / slow benefitted more from BCB and also that slow procced more reliable PPM.

It would seem from what i've read here that somehow fast / fast is more damage despite the changes - can anyone explain this to me?

Also, is using MH Last Laugh OH Angry dread bad? Right now it's the best weapons by far. I will have the opportunity to win another last laugh if it drops - should I?

Ok so we'll compare two weapons.

Hailstorm is 1.5 speed, which means it swings 40 times a minute. 30% of 40 is 12, so you would get 12 BCB strikes. Each of those hits for ~50% of the weapon damage, which means each will hit for about 117. 117X12=1404

Angry Dread is 2.5, which means it swings 24 times a minute. 30% of that is 7. Each of those hits for 195. 195X7=1365

That's why BCB with fast weapons is better.


Edit: I messed the math up the first time, forgot to take into account that BCB is a percentage of weapon damage.

Post-patch you use the best weapons you have, whatever they happen to be. A fast mainhand will proc exactly as many times in a minute as a slow mainhand will, that's how PPM works. The difference comes with instant attacks, which in 32/39's case are two bloodstrikes every 20 seconds. Hardly something to pass up on a fast weapon for a worse slow one for.

been trying out 32/39 and I am seeing a few EJers with corpse explosion. Is it worth getting with the glyph or is that one point just a filler?

I think corpse explosion is def. worth it. My AOE dmg went down some because it seems like KM isn't proccing quite as much as it did last patch. When there a 3+ mobs I use Corpse Explosion to use the RP. I've had it crit for ~2.6k. The damage is way higher than it used to be. So with corpse explosion and watching KM procs for HB you get really great AoE dmg.

I'm using Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft and it worked well in 25 naxx tonight. Patchwork was down in dps though mainly because of the gargoyle nerf I think.

Here is my Patchwerk Recount stats from 10man Naxx, same set up as my previous post. Had already done 25man this week, so can't get a recount from that, sorry. I managed to get some nice timing on Gargoyle and Army of the Dead, and hit about 5,000DPS earlier on in the fight.



Had an Enhancement Shaman, Fury Warrior providing buffs.

just did 25 patchwerk tonight, went down from my previous 6k to now 5k dps

definitely a huge nerf

5700 dps on patchwork tonight.
Using Duel Hailstorms (due to the fact the we haven't seen and angry dread).
Also used the new IT sigil seems to be a lot more DPS.

Used normal /cancelaura macro's still here's my armory and SS of the Recount.



EDIT: Here's the WWS still bugged not showing ghoul and AotD.

/facepalm

I did a 3 minute WWS run with Slow / Fast and got 12 KM procs. I made sure Icy Talons was up all time and used the KM every time right when it proc'd. Wow Web Stats

With Fast / Slow I got 9 KM proc with the same method as above. Wow Web Stats

I really dunno. I thought this PPM thing was supposed to be 5 PPM per weapon.

Yup, WWS - Here's a link: WWS for Arathal

And I decided to respec again tonight: Going with the 0/44/27 (with a 2h - as that did seem better DPS).

I futzed around with the build; and after going with

PS >IT >HB >BS >BS >dump (Frost strike)
PS >IT >IT >IT >HB >dump (Frost strike)

It seemed like a big improvement in DPS. On a training dummy, no buffs, I did manage to sustain a 2.5-2.8k dps on the elite target dummy in Stormwind.

I have to admit - I'm having a hard time watching my buffs (to release the garg) and everything else on my screen - kinda wish there was an addon that says "Gargoyle!!!" when certain parameters are met

And thanks for your help Daedalix - I look forward to future replies

You want Power Auras Classic. You can configure textures to be displayed when one buff, or a combination of buffs, are up. For gargoyling, I use several textures for different buffs as concentric circles. I wait until at least two circles, and I can go out of my way to get a three-buff Gargoyle up. Check out the DK UI thread for more.

that's realy good specc
Lets try 0/45/26 with drop nerfed gargoyle for unbrakeable armor? its like few points in BA. It can be better than 44/27
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft or maybe drop 1 point from impurity for gargoyle...

Hi everyone,

I’m long time reader, first time poster. I’m quite happy with current patch. My DPS was increased slightly + I’ve got a nice IT sigil (downgrade from epic one >.< )

Here are my WWS for Patchwork(name Ниво is in Russian) and armory link (there are several errors in Armory, got IT sigil and [Darkmoon Card: Greatness])

I used 32/39 blood presence, standard rotation without canceling FF macros
IT-PS-HB-BS-BS-DC-DC
IT-PS-HB-IT-IT-DC-DC

I have few weapons in my bank and right now I’m having problem which ones to use.
At my last fight (Got 5287 DPS on Patchwork) I used [Silent Crusader] (MH, Cinderglacier) and [Last Laugh] (OH, Fallen Crusader).

The questions are:
1)is it normal that MH got less DPS then OH? May be I need switch them?
2)Are 2 [Last Laugh] (F/F) are the right choice as best in slot weapons?

Thank you in advance

Hello,

I tried my first DW spec last night, after trying EVERY single 2H spec i can find/think of.

I went with a 0/33/38 spec (The World of Warcraft Armory) and I made a priority rotation:

IT>PS(to keep desecration up)>BS>DC. I used HB nearly only when i got a Rime proc.

I'm using the IT sigil, IT glyph, goul glyph, SS glyph (can't think of any 3rd good major glyph for DW, so I kept this one for arenas), FC on MH and Razorice en OH (having nearly a 100% uptime on the 5 razorice debuffs).

Using garg when both mirror and FC were up, made sure that gouli was out of the nasty poison.

Here's the Recount SS of my PW DPS: Images Host : Hberger images sur images-host.org, l'hbergeur gratuit d'images (~4500dps, for the lazy clickers :p).

I was averaging 4000 dps with my old 2H cookie cutter unholy build on PW 25 pre-patch (but my weap sucks hard ) and I do think that DW offers a better DPS, as I did better on every bosses.

I saw in this thread (I read it entierly before making my choice) that majority of DKs where using a lot more HB than I do, my question is why ?
With IT glyph and It sigil, i found that logical to use IT as my main strike.

An average IT crit is 4.5K, an HB crit is 7K. I can toss 2 to 4 IT in a single rune CD (depending on my blood runes state (death or not), doing 4.5*2 = 9K to 18K dmg (crit) with IT where HB will always produce 14K.
It would sound like HB is better, BUT you have to add 2 PS damage to the IT rotation, and 20 to 40 extra RP (from the IT glyph) to throw out DCs.

With that in mind, I consider respeccing to a more IT/DC/PS oriented spec, and leaving HB behind (even if I do love it on trashes).

What do you think of : http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=211209060504 ?

I went down to CF in order to boost my BCB damages (we don't have any unholy DK, as i'm the only DK DPS on the guild (our tank is deep frost)), took all the mandatory stuff on the way down (garg, ghoul, bone shield, desecration, etc...) I put 2 points in outbreak (thinking about taking out of NoTD to put a third in outbreak) in order to boost my PS damages, as I am PS-ing 2times/rotation.
Nothing particular in the frost tree.

I'm hesitating between the above spec and this one : http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=211209060504

In this one, i'm missing all the haste out of the frost tree, but we always have our frost tank and/or an enhanced shaman. I'm also missing Merciless Combat (that is the one i'll be missing the most).
But i'm gaining a lot of things out the unholy tree:
One more point in outbreak, 1% crit from EP (not sure about this one), 10% pure damage increase and 5 expertise from rage of rivendare (knowing that i'm PSing a lot, i'll benefit from it all the time) and a nice DPS gain form UB (witch is the exact same cost as a DC, but for more average DPS).

I'm skipping EP because we always have a lock or a balance druid to give me the +13% magic damage boost.

Sorry for my english, I'm french and i'm at work :o).

Thanks.

Alansar.

HB puts unholy runes in actually good use. Using PS once to get Blood Plague and Desecration up is good, put while they're already up PS does pitiful damage (my avg hit is around 350 at Patchwerk, even the Blood Plague ticks for more), which simply isn't worth a GCD despite getting some extra RP.

It's possible, though i'm still not totally convinced Unbreakable Armor is worth the frost rune. I would however be more tempted to put 50 in Frost instead of Impurity.. as that would affect Frost Strike being an ability or spell, Impurity only affects spells.

As a side note - I swapped the 0/44/27 build to Unholy presence and talented/glyphed for IT and FS - and was able to spam at least 3 strikes per rotation with no clipping. My dps shot up to over 3,100.

That sounds very promising. Especially if you add in the nature of the killing machine nerf in combination with the higher slow/fast dps. If you throw the bigger benefit for slow weapons from frost strike/blood strike in and mix it with the fact that there is no good third glyph for the 32/39 spec but a mediocre glyph for frost strike it sounds even better. I also like the stronger death rune generation in trash groups and on bosses with adds like Noth, Maexxna or Faerlina where AE damage helps to get the adds down(in cause of Pestilence and Blood of the North).

The only thing i don't like is annihilation. It only helps to improve about 15%(PS, BS, FS) of your damage potential with 3% extra-crit. On the other site...if you use rime and throw in some extra obliberates to get the rotation done annihilation could be quite nice, too.

I think it would be a rotation like this one:
it ps hb fs bs bs RP-dump
it ps hb fs it it RP-dump

If rime is active just add an Obliberate after the HB. It shakes the rotation a little bit, but doesn't completly destroy it. Btw: I think its a good idea to put FS after HB to eat all that runepower up. FS works better with slow/fast, too. With IT-Glyph you'll get 25 RP by Icy Touch, 20 from Howling Blast and 30 from Obliberate(with T7 Set Bonus). That's a lot of runepower. I'm quite sure that you can easily pay the the gargoyle-upkeep while you still use FS and probably even some DCs.

The problems are:
-the rotation is quite long
-watching for rime-procs sucks
-32/39 has more raid utility if you spec unholy aura and crypt fever
-the disease-durations are not long enough to be sure that they are 100% of the time applied. One point in epidemic is needed.

I think i'll give this version of (0/45/26) a try because im quite sure that 32/39 does not completly use the full potential of a slow mh-weapon.

What do you think? Are there any errors in my assumptions?