I use DKalert for rime procs and hit howling blast whenever it makes a sound. So i'd say HB when rime procs.

Ps: I think Tepesh meant HB on rime was mentioned before.

On a completely different note from this ITx6 rotation, what about an OBx5 disease-less rotation. I know, there's a blood spec for it, so on and so forth. What I was figuring though, is that FS doesn't require IT to be good, OB is still hilarious even without a disease, and OB for frost spec crit much more often then in blood. Now, this would definitely only be good in a raid environment, because Glacial Rot (for most bosses) would require you to be piggy backing on some other death knight's diseases, as well as someone else's haste, AP bonus, etc.

I was thinking of a spec like
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Ok, so I've been trying out the disease-less blood spec and frankly, it's so easy that it's a dps increase for me just because i smash 3 buttons ever and can pay more attention to the events around me (more dps also for me not being dead). So, i figure that you don't get blood gorged or bloody vengeance, kind of a big deal in dps (19% physical damage). Other then that, you get more crit with OB as frost, you can dip down to get Dirge (+5 more RP per OB for 35RP per OB), and you get a permanent ghoul and gargoyle. You would use OB, FS, Ghoul glyphs. Ok, so BcB won't be a big player, prolly only 1.5-2% of your dps, but Necrosis is pretty hot now.

I'm simply speculating ideas at this point. But I'll spec this sometime soon and let you know if I'm just crazy or not. Going to try a rotation of something like OB FS OB FS BS BS, OB FS OB FS OB FS (another FS if RP available). Would be pretty easy to do at least 1-2 FS per rotation while keeping up Gargoyle too I would think.

Just out of interest: isn't there too much dmg loss (OB) if you do only use one desease (IT) in your rotation?

With the upcoming announced changes to Frost, vague as they were, has anyone been theorizing new spec options yet?

I know it's too early to really too any serious theorycrafting, but with the change to Blood of the North, there's a good chance we'll have 2 extra points to play with.

My current spec: 17/54/0

I'm just throwing ideas into the wind.

• Two extra points could mean Frost Aura, although its uses would be very situational at best, and useless if you run with a resto druid with improved mark or a paladin.
• One might also put them into Endless Winter, primarily to allow for a free on-demand pummel, though again, its uses in PvE would be limited at best.
• My last thought was to put them into Vicious Strikes, primarily to boost Death Strike's healing. Again, limited, mostly solo functionality.
• I'm sure some of the minmaxers will suggest putting the two points into 2/5 toughness, just for the miniscule AP buff from armor.

What are your thoughts?

Sorry for the topic change but,

Now that BoTN is getting reduced to 3 points, what are you guys gonna do with your extra 2

HB is casted on rime procs.

ITx6 provides me with such larger numbers vs the trainer (I do have SoA) that I haven't yet spent a patchwerk on another spec/rotation. I put a parse in the 3.08 dps thread two weeks ago, and ITx6 gave me 5600 (5800) last week without AotD in a 20 man raid. I'm not done playing around with it.

As I said in my post, unless I'm GCD limited (which "ITx6" nominally isn't), the following provides more damage. I can redo the math I did for my situation if you do the math for yours and it points the other way.

/cast Blood Tap
/cast Icy Touch

My apologies if it's already been discussed here, I didn't see a specific build, but for the ITx6 rotation, is this the sort of build you were referring to?
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And could anyone give me some input on this? I just switched to it earlier today and I was surprised by the numbers ( rather, a variant of it with toughness and less RPM, but I found myself RP capping a lot )

As mentioned already earlier in this thread ITx6 isn't real rotation, it's more like ITx2 FS ITx2 FS ITx2 FS since you will be capping RP you need to spend some between the rune skill rotation.

Also maxing out tundra stalker instead of veteran of third war should give more damage. 4% more total damage should be better than 4% str + 1 exp.

I went with Talent Calculator - 10/51/0
The rotation normally ends up being, in full
BS -> BS -> Oblit -> Oblit -> Dump -> IT2x(unless KM Proc, then FS if RP allows) -> IT2x(unless KM Proc, then FS if RP allows) -> IT2x(unless KM Proc, then FS if RP allows) -> FS Whatever is left.

Weave in Howling blast on Rime procs. Priority when KM procs is HB/ Rime > FS > IT

I just went back to 2h frost after trying out 32/39 DW. While it was good and fun, I just felt more at home with 2h frost and so I went to 21/50/0 - URL="http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMqM0zZG0xxGxdRhoVosx"]http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMqM0zZG0xxGxdRhoVosx[/url].

I used the OB, FS, and IT major glyphs.

What would be an appropriate rotation? Since I just respecced back to it after 3 weeks of DW or so, my rotations were a bit clunky, doing the good ol' BT before to get OBx2.

On a test dummy, what is an appropriate DPS number to have? In the picture provided, during that session, I was hitting upwards to 2550 dps self buffed. This session ran for a good duration of 1 and a half Horn of Winters.