I got it confused with the 2% weapondamage in the tooltip, thanks.

Good work, Sherlock.

i'm not seeing but a few items on each slot on your spreadsheet doc. Did I not download the file correctly or something?

You have to add like all the gear yourself.

Flip to the Items sheet and add the items you want to the correct category; just use the existing ones as examples.

Figured as much, wanted to confirm incase the file had been corrupted by the downloading site.

I was wondering if someone in the spreadsheet section could do math to find some "t7" stat weight equivalents before Ulduar and some for Ulduar itself after the Raid instance is released for each build.

I'm currently writing a complete DPS compendium with information for all specs with information from every possible thread (6 pages worth so far) and I need all the help I can get - and I would seriously appreciate being able to give stat weights for each build.

DK DPS information is too spreaded out. Its clearly time to regroup all the info.

Keep up the good work, DOC!

Thx for all your great work Doc!

Ps. any chanse your pve simulator will work on dk's soon?

Last edited by Illundai : 11/12/08 at 6:29 PM.

Yeah, very outdated :P

Been looking all over for updated stat values myself and found like 3-4 different ones recently posted with different values.. Someone really ought to update that compendium or make a new one

Edit: And make stat values for the normal blood/frost/unholy specs specifically.

Has anyone done the math between Bandit's Insignia and Mirror of Truth? I find myself with this question and without the current resources to get a greatness and wondering which is my better bet?

Nevermind, found something passable in the unholy dps thread stating that bandit's is a bit better than the mirror. Thanks.

I'm not quite sure where to post this, but I would like someone to check my maths. I have bandit's insignia as the best trinket in the game, better than greatness by 2X.

I excluded the fact that fallen crusader will proc. I also simplified the greatness card to proc 1/3 of the time. This may not be fully correct because if it lasts 15s, cd 45s, it still has to proc again. If the proc is not 100%, then the gap between 45s CD and the next proc could throw off DPS. If i made it one proc per min, its only up 25% of the time, i will keep it at 33% for this though.

I assumed that the bandit's insignia will proc once every minute, 45 sec cd. I also assume 25% spell crit rate.

I accounted for kings and blood +4% str for the greatness deck, and for the dmg proc on bandits i acoutned for bone armor, ebon plague, blood presence.

14 AP = 1 DPS

Greatness Deck: 2[90(1.14) + ((300*1.14)/3)]/14 = 30.9 DPS

Insignia: [(1.325(1880))(1+.99(.25))]/60 +190/14 = 65.37 DPS

Bandit's insignia is roughly 65 DPS.

Dark moon card is roughly 31 DPS.

Please check my math.

Maths please. I acknowledge that this is probably true, but i want to see exactly how much dps total a DK can expect from greatness deck. I thought white and yellow damage get the same benefit from +str or +AP. Help explain this better please thanks.

I also might have double dipped on my damage modifiers for the bandit's insignia. I increased both the base dmg, and the crit dmg by blood presence etc. Perhaps i should just increase the base? I don't know if the spell actually double dips or not. If thats the case, it is 58 DPS instead of 65.

You can't directly calculate how much DPS you'll get for an individual trinket (well, not easily). It would involve using formulas like the ones presented in this thread for each ability in your rotation and then dividing that number by the total time taken up by the rotation. You're free to do this on your own; it's not worth my or anyone elses time to do this for you. What I can tell you, though, is that because of the way strength so greatly enhances a Death Knight's AP (we get about a 1 Str -> 2.5 AP conversion, more when you factor in the ghoul) the Greatness Deck is far and away the best trinket available at this point in the game, followed up by Bandits Insignia/Fot5F, depending on your spec and the amount of movement in the fight.

How good is grim toll (for diseasless blood + blood 3.1)?
I thought it was the BiS after greatness since the hit also allows you to get more Str oriented items?

If I'm out of line with this question in this thread I appologise, but since trinkets was brought up I thought I would ask here.

Armor penetration is harder to evaluate, it depends a lot of how much you already have. Its also can be very hard to balance your equipment to fully use the 2.5 % hit that grim toll grant you. You should take one of the available spreadsheet, get you equivalent points and compare 83 hit rating + 102 ArP versus 83 crit rating + 166 AP.

Update. Now handles ArP correctly including trinket procs.

I can save it in a compatible format, dunno if it works. At least the mechanics should, though.

I've updated my sheet for 3.2, see page one. A good amount of guessing is inside and stuff like pets or diseases doesn't work right now (and it's not that important right now).

Edit: Updated again, this time strictly after the 3.2 PTR notes. Including 3.2 builds!

Both links on the first post take you to the same download (office 2007 version). Could you post the link to the 97-2003 version?

I've just uploaded both into one zip and updated the sheet with the latest PTR changes.

Could I bother you to post a link to the newest version of the spreadsheet that was designed without anything involving 3.2? Since the patch is quite likely 2 to 3 months off at this point, I'd like to see about optimizing my gear for current content, mostly as a second take on my own calculations.

How hard would it be to implement some kind of script to import information from the armory? my rogue spreadsheet had this script and it was very useful. if it would be too much of a hassle then nevermind, great work