These are Heart Strike hits? You saw a 238% dmg increase in your max crit just from the use of one Glyph? Could you please clarify the discrepancy between a 2600 max on one attempt and a 6200 hit on another.

I would assume thats a typo of 3197max Especially if like me he uses his numpad to put in info

What were you using as the snare debuff? Were you applying Chains of Ice? Or was another class providing some sort of debuff for you? I'm mainly curious because to me if you're having to apply CoI every 10 seconds it seems like it would almost be a dps loss due to using a rune on chains rather than something else.

I think a major question is what, exactly, constitutes a "snare"? The Mage Arcane talent Torment of the Weak is being changed such that it functions on any movement, attack or casting speed reduction. If the Blood Strike Glyph works the same way then we can effectively assume a +20% damage to Blood/Heart Strike so long as Icy Touch is being used. If it works the same as the old Torment of the Weak, then it will require Chains of Ice, Slow, or some other true snare to be on the target.

Mind Flay would probably do the trick too? Even Glyphed it still slows the target.

I would assume it will work same way as for arcane = any slow counts that include IT, TC etc.

Now if this glyph will work like that (so free +20% dmg to HS) and with change to badge sigil (as it procs from HS) does that mean x4 HS will be better than OB + x2 HS again?

Also glyph can be easily tested if anyone care to do it. Equip glyph, go to dummy, hit BS/HS few times, apply IT and hit BS/HS, check if damage increased.

Was this test on live or on the PTR?

I won't be surprised either way, but I generally felt there was a near zero chance on Live for this to work. The question in my mind was always whether the PTR changes to Torment of the Weak extended to the Blood Strike glyph (and by proxy to Heart Strike, given that the two are becoming slightly different it would be good to test both).

This was on live, I have yet to install the new PTR.

Either way, I hope blizzard does keep Glyph of Blood Strike as it is now, the 20% damage buff really does pick up the damage output when comparing to FS/SS ( since they ignore armor ).

Sorry the max was 5600 without the glyph

As for the snaring debuff I can only think it is Frostfire bolt
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I have just come out of testing Glyph of Blood Strike and can confirm that for non-snare immune mobs Frostfire Bolt's debuff will allow the glyph to work and this includes on training dummies.
Snare immune mobs, such as the skeletal dragons that fly around Dragonblight, the glyph very visibly did not activate for on application of Frostfire.

Usually, most bosses in naxx are capable of putting the COI snare on a target, but there are some mobs that are just immune completely and don't get a debuff.

So yes, it does benefit on most bosses, but some mobs it doesn't.

I guess my next questions would be:

1. Is it worth to replace DnD glyph or IT glyph with it? (I'm sure most of you don't use the DnD glyph, but I have found its use invaluable for tank mitigation in heroics and naxx in aoe pulls...... and its utility in pvp situations).

2. Is it worth messing up your rotation to get a COI (if you don't have someone else supplying the effect)?

If you are blood, you most def want to use the obliterate & blood glyph, nothing can compare atm. You dont need to use COI in your rotation, try and ask a class in your raid to try n keep some sort of slow debuff on the target.

Well if you have a feral tank in your raid they'll have a 100% uptime of Infected Wounds - Spell - World of Warcraft so no need to bother with chains of ice.

The question is, does it work with any attack-speed slowing debuff (such as a Paladin's Judgements of the Just), like the Arcane mage's talent Torment the Weak? If someone could confirm this on the PTR, then any tankable target will, almost by definition, have such a debuff on it, making the glyph a de facto standard for blood raiding.

The reason we ask is because Torment of the Weak is being changed to work off of any attack or casting speed reduction in addition to what was previously considered a snare. If the Blood Strike glyph receives the same benefit, then Icy Touch and similar effects would be all we needed to activate it.

Also, Thunder Clap doesn't slow movement, only attack speed.

Been reading through here for a while now and was wondering what values or spreadsheet do you guys use to produce AEP values or any method of stat comparison?

So is this all speculation regarding the glyph? I haven't seen anyone mention actual testing on current bosses. Which bosses does this work and doesn't work on?

On PTR, the secondary hit from Heart Strike (the "cleave") appears to be doing 100% weapon damage instead of 60%.

Does it do bonus damage from disease? It could be intended that it does 100% but doesn't get buffed from disease.

Can anyone explain to me how using Obliterate instead of Death Strike can stand up against Necrosis, Blood-Caked Blade, Ravenous Dead and Shadow of Death?

If I recall, from Sapphiron 25 today, Necrosis and Blood-Caked Blade represented around 6-7% of my DPS.

Icy Touch dealt less than 1% of my total damage, so the 30%^2 upgrade doesn't do much. And i'm not sure +3% crit on abilities can balance the Obliterate build against Death Strike.

Not to mention that Death Strike makes you a healing machine on AoE fights like Sapphiron.