This test I used my hysteria macro 3 times (every time it was up), my average DPS was 2699. I would think on a training dummy this is pretty good but I really don't know. How does this compare to other classes? I know an Unholy DK would do more but I don't know much about other classes.
The macro I use is:
2xOB rotation in blood presence

I don't think you understand how DRW works. You should be popping all your cooldowns before you cast DRW so your Rune Weapon gets all the bonuses too.

Yeah, I knew that but didn't notice it when I posted or in my macro. Thanks

Im not sure if you were, but you gotta factor in reduced armor from a warrior/rogue, since that will boost your damage significantly compared to a DK who isn't as effected in either frost or unholy.

Quick question that I can't seem to find an answer too. With the upcoming changes in the next patch and the buff to our aoe in the form of pestilence being increased by bloody blades, and with heart strikes cleaving, has anyone figured out a decent aoe rotation? As far as I've been able to tell from dummy testing and recount PS>IT>PEST>DND followed heart striking once runes were up to be the best so far.

Anyone else have a different approach?

I cant manage to find it and maybe I am just over looking it.
What is the expertise cap for Blood spec? Do I just need to be at 6% ?
Sorry to bother you with this question.

With that gear, the 2xOB rotation should yield better results. I am doing a lot better after switching to this rotation.

51/13/7 the "2xOB-rotation":

PS -> IT -> OB -> HS -> HS -> DC
OB -> OB -> HS -> HS -> DC

Go to a training dummy and try it for yourself.

Death Knight: PvE DPS


Most people focus on single target theorying, but what I'll be using (and currently use) is DND > PS > IT > Pest > Dump > Improvise from here on out, as it's really too dependent on the situation to come up with anything static.

I've followed all of the DK threads since before release and am slow to level, I'm going to be doing heroics (i play at off times so actually raiding really isn't an option) with a friend who is an Unholy DK Tank and I figure that at the just reaching 80 level that Blood would be a strong choice. The problem i'm having on a theorycraft level is that from what I can gather blood presence is the presence to use, and 50/0/21 is the spec for entry level gear, and in this spec the rotation is
IT PS HS HS OB DC
IT PS HS HS HS HS DC
But given this, your 2nd half is a 9s rotation, leaving no time to death coil. There were previous conversations about using Death Strike (especially given my obvious lack of Sigil of Awareness)
IS PS HS HS DS DC
DS HS HS HS HS DC
Which does less damage than oblit of course, but it does free up a gcd for a death coil and that never seems to be included.

Even in the above linked PvE DK TC Tank post it says "use blood presence only" and "IT PS HS HS HS HS DC" and I just don't see how thats optimal? This entire thread, perhaps moreso than the other dps threads, is a lot of people seemingly taking "truths" for granted even when they contradict each other and theres certainly no sort of conclusion drawn (and the tc tank post is just a repost of the very old dps compen) so forgive me for asking this but I just feel like i'm missing something or people are actually using unholy presence to fit in DCs and just not bothering arguing with the people claiming blood presence is the law.

/use Sphere of Red Dragon's Blood
/cast [target=player] Hysteria
/cast Dancing Rune Weapon
/cast Raise Dead

is this the best DRW macro? Will it get all the benefits?

That should work just fine, yes. As an aside, you should probably wait for a Mirror/FC proc as well before popping this macro.

Why are some people saying that you should cast Hysteria and use trinkets BEFORE you summon up DRW when it's been shown that DRW mimics EVERYTHING you do...

Did something change?

If you target yourself and cast Hysteria, I think it has been tested that your DRW will not cast Hysteria on itself. I would have to actually be home to test right now, but earlier in this thread I think it was went over.

That is why I am asking, I have been told different things by different people.

I have searched a couple times now and haven't found that information. I will try doing a test but what are you suggesting I do? I am trying to maximize my DRW damage and keep getting different comments from people every time I think I get it right.

I can't find the exact post to which I was referring, but here is one post...

http://elitistjerks.com/990835-post87.html

I swear I've seen the post I was talking about ... I'm going to have to dig now. I hope I'm not being delusional.

The TTT says that DRW will sometimes cast Hysteria on itself, but it's unconfirmed if it received the damage boost from it.

I just did some testing, trying hysteria before and after DRW and the damage was equal to DRW without using hysteria at all. Looks like it doesn't get hysteria.

The point of this thread isn't to tell you what the best spec, rotation, and presence is-- it's to discuss it. That's why there isn't a conclusion drawn (Not to mention the fact that, despite hemming and hawing and linking of WWS Scoreboards, there are 6 or 7 DK specs that are all capable of similar dps numbers in various situations). A lot of these things are still very open to debate and discussion.

There has, actually, been quite a lot of discussion and argument about blood presence vs. unholy presence, in this and other threads. I read a post yesterday in the DW thread that I thought explained the reasoning for blood presence very well. Quoting the particularly relevant part here:

In other words, you get the choice between using all your resources faster (Unholy presence), or prioritizing your best abilities for bonus damage (Blood presence). If you prioritize your rotation and still are able to use most to all of your abilities (i.e., few "leftovers"), then Blood presence will always come out ahead.

In Blood presence, 51/13/7, with PS IT OB HSx2 OBx2 HSx2, my "leftover" usually amounts to an occasional DC or SD proc. 15% bonus damage to all other abilities far outweighs this tradeoff. You're right that the 50/0/21-type rotations are a bit more awkward in this respect. You may find in that particular spec Unholy presence can give similar results at times, but I think prioritizing abilities will still come out ahead in the end. (Gargoyle also makes the RP dump a non-issue for significant portions of the fight). I would even suggest that prioritizing abilities with improving gear would ultimately lead you to spec 51/13/7, anyway.

In response to other posts: I'm still not entirely convinced as to what stats DRW inherits from you, which would have a significant impact on usage of other cooldowns. Gonna have to test this more.

Pretty sure expertise cap is somewhere near the realm of 6.25 or 6.5%. Whoever can update the pve thread for blood needs to do that since it's a bit misguiding.

Expertise Cap is 6.5% Which means 26 Expertise, as Blood, for the most part, you get somewhere in the realm of 11 to 14 expertise (14 if you're using a racial weapon as a human/dwarf/orc) meaning you need a lot less expertise rating than f.ex Unholy or Frost

This seems a bit off-topic, but just for clarity's sake:

You get +11 expertise from blood talents (+6 from maxed Vet. of the Third War, +5 from maxed Blood Gorged).
Ocrs get another +5 expertise for using an axe.
Dwarves get +5 expertise from using a mace.
Humans get +3 expertise from using a mace or sword.

That means if you're an Orc or a Dwarf wielding your race-specialized weapon, you need 10 expertise to reach the cap.
If you're a Human wielding one of your race-specialized weapon, you'll need 12 expertise to reach the cap.

Mind, this is assuming you're attacking the rear of a boss, which negates parry. If you're attacking from the front half of the boss' hit box, you need quite a bit more expertise to become unparryable. (I don't think unparryable is a word, but whatever.)

Hi

New to Fourm and feely new to the high end of the game.

I have to say I'm not sure if I'll fit I may not be at a playing level to have the input you need.

I'm under the impression blood spec suffers from latency and would like to know if anybody has more info on this.

I'm working through getting higher DPS and have a 51/13/7 talent tree and still find the rotations in the thread
(tho better) give me a slow cycle and tho the damage per hit is good and crits are great the over all damge is lower
than most I know you guys are not into char building and thats not what I'm at here I came to learn and maybe it's the best of the best that might know of issues that would make ones skill bars darken and take 10 - 30 sec's to activare again, it's this speed of the cycles that's lowering my DPS I'm thinking.

Is there a point with Blood where you can over key or key to fast and kill you hit rate do you think

At first, please be kind to me, my english isnt the best.

My Charakter: The World of Warcraft Armory
My Spec: mmo-champion.com
Main Data:
Orc
~1120 Strength
~15000 Armor
~560 Hit (I know way to much, but u will see i dont like haste or armor penetration just waiting on other stats like more crit or AP)
~26 Expertise

I Tryed a lot from them Spec´s postet in here and i am Really thankfull for all that work and aprovement.

I came up with my own opinion since i got some specific items and glyphs.
OB Glyph with a 20% Dmg increase is more Powerfull then 2x HS (the deseases are not even hart enough to mess with that and u dont have time messing with HS in most cases)
and that Sigil of Awareness will even higher it more.
I could even bet with the t7 4 peace bonus its more stronger but i don´t really like having haste.

So i have no other choice then specing 51/13/7 to get 2x OB over 4xHS i Tested it a lot an i end up with about 200dps loss/win.

For all who are not sure about speccing 51/13/7 or 50/0/21, watch ur equip are u still wearing leather? do u got a lot of Strengh and so on.

"Toughness" (for me ~25AP each Point) is almost as Powerfull as Ravenous Dead (~46 AP per Point) or Shadow of Death (~46 AP) , its still lower, but its much more better then Black Ice (Icy Touch, only use every 20sec or so).

I can not tell u weither to start with IT or PS cause it´s a glyph and spec thing, but i would prefer to start with an "PS > IT" if u got points spend on Glacier Rot and start with IT > PS if u got that PS glyph, if u got both start with IT > PS cause u have that out of range start advantage, but watch ur crit cause of the 30% Bonus with PS, u see it´s hard to tell.

My Rotation in Blood Presence(~2200 DPS on BossDummy, unbuffed and without glyphs, but think of the Sigil)
IT - PS - OB - HS - HS - DC Dump untill OB is going to be Ready (most likely 1)
OB - OB - HS - HS - DC Dump until IT is going to be Ready (most likely 1-2)
Start over

With good caster support ur DC ist quite as Powerful as HS or even more, if not dont mess with RP, if so Dump everything you can, unless you loose your plagues or can not use OB when Ready. Use in most cases Plagues PS/IT if Running out over OB over HS (only with weapon over 2xx DPS else use DC over HS) over DC

Sometimes i only use one Bloodrune for HS in Boss fights cause of lag. Most of that Time I have to swith a bloodrune into a deathrune to get in Unholy Presence cause of it.