Blood DPS App. Stn. - Don't Stop Diseasin' (Feat. Runic Power Mastery).mp3 - Page 71

Neeb · 02/08/09, 3:47 PM

Originally Posted by Reasonable

I understand that you are trying to increase the damage of your lower damage parts of your rotation, but you're going about it in an awkward and sub-optimal way.

I suppose an easy way to think about it is like this (primarily in reference to your lack of shadow of death and necrosis).

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Ahhh that was what I was worried about. I had gone back and looked at the % dmg of Necrosis (via WWS), and saw that it was much higher then what I was seeing just tooling around on the dummies. i.e. showing around 0.6% on dummy and WWS was showing around 7% actual raid damage so I knew there was something askew right there.

There is a pretty typical 51/0/20 build for blood, that I had played with in Beta that seems to be still around, need to look at the frost spec as well. I still want to try to think a little out of the box as to how I spec'd trying to look at where I could improve my DPS a little. I went a little too far outside it seems lol. I still want to tweek the spec some and see where to eek out a little more DPS. My gear is about as good as it is going to get for the level of content there is to play in but I feel like I am slacking some place, hence all the playing around.

I'll go back and try to catch up some more in this post since 3.0.8 see what else there is.

Edit: Bane of the test dummy. This should prove why sometimes dummies are just BAD to test with, Necrosis was down because my dummy was at near zero health, so I was getting 1 and 70 hits with necrosis because there was simply no health for the ability to take.

clairecakes · 02/09/09, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by kurokaze

Not quite.

Dark Rider ~= Awareness on this rotation, though I guess Awareness would pull ahead on more oblit-heavy rotations.

Haunted Dreams is superior to either if Wowhead's claim of a 15% procrate is true AND there is no ICD.

Tests indicate that Haunted Dreams' procrate is closer to 5-6%, in which case it is inferior to any other relevant sigil.

The disease-free rotation I would advise is not HSx2 OBx2 / HSx6, but rather HSx4 OBx1 repeat. It requires one HSx2 OBx2 at the beginning to get started, though. This version gives more leeway to dump RP at the end of both sides of the rotation rather than concentrating lots of GCDs on one half.

Thanks for clarifying. After you posted this I got to testing the ol' Haunted Dream. It does seem to have an awful proc rate. I'll take to testing every Tuesday in case a quiet buff comes down ( i can hope right).

And to TRIPLE check.... haste>ArmPen yeah?

Bloody_sorcerer · 02/09/09, 8:39 AM

Originally Posted by clairecakes

Thanks for clarifying. After you posted this I got to testing the ol' Haunted Dream. It does seem to have an awful proc rate. I'll take to testing every Tuesday in case a quiet buff comes down ( i can hope right).

And to TRIPLE check.... haste>ArmPen yeah?

By my (see below) (and rawr's (see source)) math, ArP > haste, and an increasingly large amount better as you gain ArP.

Illundai · 02/09/09, 9:08 AM

The maths on the previous page don't agree.

Bloody_sorcerer · 02/09/09, 9:38 AM

I'm going to try this again.

haste-modified damage is ~35%, DC is ~13%. Armor Penetration-modified damage is ~81.5% (everything but DC and ghoul). 32.79 haste rating is 1% haste, 15.39 armor penetration rating is 1% armor penetration. Combat ratings are all 1 budget point per point of rating, so 1% haste is equivalent to 2.13% armor penetration rating.

Fully debuffed boss mobs have their armor determined as follows:
mitigation = 1f - (targetArmor / ((467.5f * (float)calcOpts.TargetLevel) + targetArmor - 22167.5f));
where targetArmor = (13083 - sunders and FF) * (ArPrating / 1539)
at zero armor penetration rating, this is 32.19% mitigation. 32.79 Armor penetration rating will reduce this mitigation to 31.73%, a change of .46%, a gain of .3749% DPS, while 1% haste will be .35% DPS.

Also, keep in mind that armor penetration rating improves as you gain it; the first 32.79 rating is only marginally better than an equal amount of haste, but the next 32.79 rating will be some amount better than the first 32.79 rating, and so on up to the cap.

Damarek · 02/09/09, 4:10 PM

I tried the diseaseless blood yesterday (was standard blood 51/0/20 before) and I am really content with the results:
Wow Web Stats

Naxx 25 Construct Quarter + Saph/Kel averaging 4805 DPS with 8378 Spike at Thaddius.
My Equip is not that good (just got Bandit's Insignia and the epic bracers yesterday) and still I am seeing much better results than with diseases - and I always had managed to pull a good rotation without being RP capped etc. Diseaseless is ridiculously easier to perform and showing better results. Looking forward to getting the Betrayer

If they don't modify something with this, I am really going to love the changes that were posted recently :>

Archetype · 02/09/09, 9:10 PM

I hope they fix the timer with DRW as well. Currently with 100rp, my DRW starts at 18 seconds... shouldn't it be 22?

Warrentt · 02/09/09, 11:37 PM

im confused..is the disealess rotation OB OB HS HS rune dump OB OB HS HS..or OB OB HS HS rune dump HS HS HS HS HS HS rune dump

chiahatesyou · 02/10/09, 12:15 AM

I have read this whole thread... jeez it's a lot to take in too, I have tried the Diseaseless Blood spec and I understand how it is supposed to work cept for one thing. On aoe packs what is the rotation? I don't think I have enough atk power to sustain the dps that most have shown on this thread but I should be at least somewhat competitive. I am trying to start distancing myself from 31/40 knowing that it will be nerfed soon enough.

So what should minimum Atk Power be for this spec to be top 5 effective?

And what do you do on AOE packs?

thanks

Zadkiel · 02/10/09, 12:43 AM

I did a search on this thread on whether or not BCB was worth it but came up with nothing. I'm currently using the diseaseless 51/0/20 build and have seen my DPS increase quite a bit from 51/13/7 but looking at recount I'm not sure if I should have 3 points BCB. According to recount, BCB is only doing about 1.4% of my DPS. Should I stay with the build I have right now or should I switch out the 3 points in BCB for something like Outbreak since blood boil is suppose to be better in 3.1?

kurokaze · 02/10/09, 1:03 AM

Looks like I had boss armor value incorrectly pegged at 10900 rather than 13083. Bloody_sorcerer's numbers appear to be correct. I can't for the life of me find where I got that number.

By the way, I'd like to mention that as far as I can tell, diseased 51/0/20 is the superior blood spec/rotation in theory. There's lots of discussion about the diseaseless rotation and how ridiculous it is but as far as I can tell, it's simply surprisingly competitive (and easier to pull off) rather than optimal. Granted, the fact that it is easier to pull off is probably worth the ~200 DPS difference between them on the spreadsheet, but there seems to be a pretty even split between diseased and not among the few blood DKs represented here.

Archetype · 02/10/09, 1:17 AM

Originally Posted by Warrentt

im confused..is the disealess rotation OB OB HS HS rune dump OB OB HS HS..or OB OB HS HS rune dump HS HS HS HS HS HS rune dump

Depends if you take rune mastery or not. I go without, and simply do OB OB HS HS (rp dump) repeat.

Abynthe · 02/10/09, 4:20 AM

I tend to go [ob-hs-dc] plus an optional deathcoil when I have the additional runic. Decreases the chance of wasting free deathcoil procs. I found that 2xob, 2xhs was much easier to maintain than hs spam with death runes

pindle · 02/10/09, 5:45 AM

Originally Posted by Abynthe

I tend to go [ob-hs-dc] plus an optional deathcoil when I have the additional runic. Decreases the chance of wasting free deathcoil procs. I found that 2xob, 2xhs was much easier to maintain than hs spam with death runes

It needs to be said tho that if you have the flexibility of changing your rotation for trash, 6x HS would do better damage versus 2x OB 2x HS, only using OB to keep the buff up. This is of course assuming you're in fact hitting 2 targets with the HSs. For that reason alone I would take Death Rune Mastery.

clairecakes · 02/10/09, 7:15 AM

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

I did a search on this thread on whether or not BCB was worth it but came up with nothing. I'm currently using the diseaseless 51/0/20 build and have seen my DPS increase quite a bit from 51/13/7 but looking at recount I'm not sure if I should have 3 points BCB. According to recount, BCB is only doing about 1.4% of my DPS. Should I stay with the build I have right now or should I switch out the 3 points in BCB for something like Outbreak since blood boil is suppose to be better in 3.1?

Stay with BCB. Bloodboil uses Blood Runes which you should be using on Heart Strikes.