DW Tanking is COMPLETLY destroyed as far as I could test.

This is what I tried so far:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...0&version=9614

To check out on Howling Blast, I was dealing 2.5k non-crit ones... which is just plain silly, 2k less than what it hits on live

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...0&version=9626

Wanted to check out Scourge Strike... and it deals half the damage of HB.

I'll run some more tests tomorrow, will screenshot some recount screens, any other build suggested for more threat?


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I'll try http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...0&version=9626 tomorrow for a simple IT PS BS BS IT PS DC DC rotation and see how it fares, might be dumb as hell to play but still... I'd justify it by pumping PS damage through Glyph/Outbreak and Icy Touch with all those talents spread over Frost and Impurity. I'd have to roll with Razorice on my mainhand for added threat, while keeping the parry one on the offhand.

I'm also not sure how would BCB compare to Ravenous Dead in order to reach Impurity, nor even if Impurity is any worth any longer.

I'm disappointed anyhow.

Ok I'm back

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http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...0&version=9626

After some time hitting that damned testing dummy, I came up with that spec... and I hate the playstyle :/ I miss Howling Blast SOOOO MUCH.

Its rotation makes me puke and is highly problematic but I've got to 5-6k TPS:

IT - PS - BB - DnD - DC - IT - PS /dance
IT - PS - BB - DnD - DC - IT - PS /sleep
IT - PS - BB - DnD - DC - IT - PS - DC /yawn

...

I can see problems vs. mobile bosses. A whole lot of problems.

Any1 know the specc were u get down to Veteran of the third war in blood and then specc frost and the +dodge in unholy?

I know that Blood Boil has received a damage boost, but has it gotten any sort of scaling boost to go along with it? If so, it seems like getting Bloody Strikes, Lichborne, and Bone Shield might be a workable build by building up deathrunes for a 6xBB -> UB rotation. So basically, something like this.

Sure, it lacks the sexiness of Howling Blast, but I don't think any DK is going to see the numbers we see now after 3.1 hits. It might, however, allow us to be competitive...if BB scales decently.

Im starting to see a lot more blood hybrid specs coming for DW dps, has anyone looked into the tanking side of this?

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...0&version=9626

one ive come up with so far, just sort of trying to throw talents together though again it would seem that basing ANY spec around a strike is a nono in DW vs 2H... Im hoping they add either a DW strike or a talent that adds an offhand portion to strikes soon.

I haven't tried. Maybe it can make up for the damage loss / threat loss. But then again, if FS turns out to be our main threat source, builds based on 2H weapons will "out-threat" us by far.

IMHO, Blizzard should implement a spell-based 2-rune attack which doesn't do AoE damage.

ok .... thats really weird ...

Live. 1311 dps on boss with self buff.
Wow Web Stats

HB max crit. 4326
FS max crit. 3107


PTR 1487 dps on boss with self buff.
Wow Web Stats

HB max crit. 3566
FS max crit. 3709

New Razorfrost is 10% + frost dmg btw.


but one thing will surelly change with this FS dmg increase ... Slow MH will be a must.

I've been playing DW tank since my first Red Sword of Courage dropped. I'm pretty close to best-in-slot (3 items off) so my experience is more with 25 mans and higher-end content like 3 drakes (though I've never tanked Sarth 3 drakes as a DW spec- I went for a AMZ/ Spell Deflection build).

I've been playing deep frost 10/53/8 variants mostly though I was tempted to try out one of the D&D hybrid builds.

I'm really struggling to see how DW tanking will be viable after 3.1... At this stage it seems everything is stacked against us. Howling Blast has been "over nerfed" and any buff to Frost Strike buffs 2h more than us. There needs to be some way to keep DW tanking at least competitive without allowing hybrid DPS builds to dominate. It seems rather than trying to fix the damage of a hybrid build they're happier to just scrap the hybrid build as even possible. It seems counter-intuitive that they'd bother nerfing Howling Blast when it's not longer even possible to get in a real hybrid build.

I'm wondering how some variant of the pvp "Shadowfrost" build would go for tanking.

Perhaps something along the lines of
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Not sure how it'll go. Missing Bladed Armor will hurt, though. But otherwise it's not only a strong anti-magic build, but should be dealing decent amounts of magic damage itself through BB, IT, D&D as well.

You're best off sticking to 2H tanking, especially since you've already got a 2H weapon.

This the DW tank topic. DW tanking is very specialised and it's recommended that you have a particular gear level before trying it. For a "fresh" tank it's easier to stick to 2H.

I think I will stick with blood dualwield tanking.
Since I had some thread problems the last few days, I changed my talents a little bit and did some benchmarks yesterday in Naxx25.

Here are some results:

Jaycroft produced 6046 tps vs Grand Widow Faerlina
I was maintanking the Grand Widow.

Jaycroft produced 4313 tps vs Full report
(This is a report for complete Naxx25 + 4 Sartharion trys)
I was maintanking Faerlina, Gluth and Sartharion.
I was offtanking or dps´ing the rest.

I only had around 5k tps vs. Patchwerk because I was a little distracted at this time. Should have been more...
Jaycroft produced 5079 tps vs Patchwerk
And I had some tps spikes around 9-10k from time to time, even though only for a handfull of seconds.

My talents are: 49/15/7

I really like the big hp pool (49k hp with Vampiric Blood) and besides that it provides a few buffs and debuffs which can prove useful in some situations. For example I can Hysteria myself when realizing that thread needs an extra push or Hysteria others when it seems appropriate.
I believe it to be the safest spec but I think it might be the most geardependent one.
Jaycroft@Armory

But I´m really wondering why there is so little discussion about blood dualwield tanking.

Jay, so you'd say your build is dependent on buffing your white attacks and hence having a fast and hard hitting rune strike?

How does it compare to a 2H blood tanking build? It seems counter-intuitive that blood (which relies on weapon-based damage) might actually end up as a superior DW tank build compared with frost or hybrid, both of which are weapon independent. But given your already strong results and the lack of blood nerfage it could end up being that Blood is the build for DW tanking when you have enough avoidance to hit Rune Strike every 2.5 seconds...

Even now you could pick up a 2H version of the hybrid and deep frost specs and just play them the same as DW, with lots of IT, D&D and HB. Necrosis and BCB were two of the advantages of DWing (along with crit-based KM). The main advantages I can see to a DW tank build of any sort are:
-Faster Rune Strikes, allowing you to burn through more RP and hopefully generate more threat.
-More Runeforging options. You can use CG/ RI or 2xFC and potentially pull higher threat.
-Better white damage (including offhand damage). The white damage of DWing is always going to pull ahead of 2H white damage the better gear you get and the closer you get to hit cap.
-Better tanking stats on your weapons, but this is mitigated by the fact that you need higher hit and expertise to pull off most DW builds. Unless you are gear capped the extra tanking stats from your weapon just allow you to replace mitigation gems for almost necessary hit/ expertise gems.

Apart from those 3 (4) things I don't really see any advantage to dual-wielding. Killing Machine is PPM now, so DW has no advantage. Necrosis and BCB have been nerfed so there's no clear advantage to DWing there. IT, HB, DC and D&D all hit as hard regardless of if you are using a 2H or DWing.

It seems that Blizzard, intentionally or not, is nerfing DWing, especially DW tanking into the ground. They aren't just re-balancing it and giving DW and 2H different advantages. They are making the already minimal DW tank advantages even more minimal.

Understandable DW DPS was over-powered. But DW tanking was already considered marginal. It could at least hold its own before, but now I'm struggling to see any build that gives DW any kind of advantage over 2H. Some builds DW can do almost as well as 2H.