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02/12/09, 11:03 AM
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#301
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Death Knight
Al'Akir (EU)
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Originally Posted by Bandit
His build is probably something like this. Considering he said he picked up +20 RP talent and from seeing his combat log he used Deathchill as well.
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That is exactly the build he used, which i copied and edit'd to this because i play a horde character and thus lack a Draenei racial.
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02/12/09, 4:19 PM
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#302
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Nazgrel
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Originally Posted by kudzupo
oh, and I had to slime dance, so that probably affected things also
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You don't have to slime dance if your tanks are doing their jobs. Source
WWS
WMO
Patchwerk 3'19" kill
5126 DPS WWS
5072 DPS WMO
51/0/20
Armageddon (FC)
Awareness Sigil
fish feast buff and no flask
due to multiple wipes caused by OT not generating enough aggro, there was no Army on this kill
OB>OB>HS>HS>Dump
self-Hysteria
BS, OBLIT, and Ghoul glyphs
Last edited by Kraven : 02/12/09 at 7:10 PM.
Reason: Added WMO Link
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02/12/09, 6:55 PM
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#303
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Von Kaiser
Draenei Death Knight
Mal'Ganis
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Another post on DW 0/44/27
This is my personal best PW to date, and I have to say I am liking the play style of Frost Strike as RD. It eats some valuable KM procs sure, but it feels a lot better than the hassles of going deeper in Unholy as DW(BotN/FS/Guile Vs. Des/BA/NotD/Reaping) and I feel like it flows better with my gear set(no fast/fast atm worth using)
Recount showed me a few hundred DPS higher and I am not sure if that has something to do with Recount or the way our WWS logger handles AOTD inclusion. I am sure someone can help point out wether this is inclusive of AOTD or not.
I received a few upgrades this run(7.5 BP and Belt of Chivalry). for this parse I was wearing Nexus Belt and Undaunting Shoulder.
I Speed+UP prior to AOTD, swapping to BP the second combat is engaged. I saved Garg for Heroism, had at least one proc up during, though that timing might have been a bit sloppy.
Glyphs IT-Ghoul-Froststrike
Rotation: Normal DW+HB type of rotation priority style, loosely based on this
(IT-PS-HB-BS+BS)(Full on RP, dump many Frostrike)(IT-PS-HB-IT+IT+IT) When you start going you can sometimes time KM to line up on HB which is not a bad idea, the worst thing it seems you can do other than ignoring diseases is to slow down.
5.5k - 2'56 KT
Wow Web Stats
Strength and Haste in solid amounts and hit rating perfection, along with a fairly hard hitting MH, seem to be the keys to this build.
I would guess that a min maxxed char(Erraa is my farming alt atm) could get this type of build to loftier heights with a fast kill built raid.
Last edited by Octopi : 02/12/09 at 7:02 PM.
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02/12/09, 8:55 PM
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#304
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Glass Joe
Gnome Death Knight
Crushridge
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Spec: Standard 21/50 2H frost
DPS: 4938 25 man Patchwerk WoWMeterOnline
Gear: [Titansteel Destroyer] with RotFC and [Sigil of Awareness] using Unholy Presence
Rotation: BT at start then IT > OB > OB > BS > FS dump
If KM procced before end of rotation I would use it right then on a FS. Every minute I would BT and pop Unbreakable Armor.
No food, elixir, or flask buffs. No potions used during fight.
AoTD as it was being pulled, Raise Dead as running in.
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02/13/09, 12:01 AM
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#305
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Glass Joe
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Why ignore freezing fog as 0/32/39 in BP?
PS>IT>BS>BS>HB>Garg/DC>PS>IT>IT>IT>HB>Garg/DC
^becomes -
PS>IT(rime proc)>BS>BS>IT>HB>PS>IT>IT>IT(rime proc)>IT>HB
Assuming you aren't using gargoyle ofc. 1 IT>1 DC, this also allows you to start your next rotation a little early possible negating some delay in latency.
Edit: Hmm I just thought of a reason myself, killing machine, but that lead to another thought...why don't we just make a macro to ignore killing machine when casting icy touch, to save all of our killing machine procs for Howling Blast, if anything we could just use a second button for freezing fog icy touches, i remember a holy paladin linking a macro to ignore infusion of light while casting flash of light to save it for a clutch holy light on the forums.
Last edited by Dreadwyn2 : 02/13/09 at 12:20 AM.
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02/13/09, 4:20 AM
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#306
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Death Knight
Blackrock
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Originally Posted by Dreadwyn2
Edit: Hmm I just thought of a reason myself, killing machine, but that lead to another thought...why don't we just make a macro to ignore killing machine when casting icy touch, to save all of our killing machine procs for Howling Blast, if anything we could just use a second button for freezing fog icy touches, i remember a holy paladin linking a macro to ignore infusion of light while casting flash of light to save it for a clutch holy light on the forums.
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Apparently you cant make modifiers based on buffs Death Knight Macros although i would love a way for someone to produce the desired effect of both his macro and your's
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02/13/09, 4:30 AM
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#307
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Apparently you cant make modifiers based on buffs Death Knight Macros although i would love a way for someone to produce the desired effect of both his macro and your's
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#showtooltip Icy Touch
/cast [nomodifier] Icy Touch
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02/13/09, 5:09 AM
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#308
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Death Knight
Shadowsong (EU)
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10man Naxx run
27/44/0 No shaman, ap flask, str food, 4p T7 bonus, aotd and ghoul at pull, unholy presence,
indestructible pot before fight, haste pot during fight. More or less BiS items from 10man except bracers.
5103dps 2min43sec duration IT+OB+BSx2(bt)+dump ITx2+FS+OB+(ITx2/OB)+dump rotation more or less.
WoW Meter Online - The Best World of Warcraft Combat Log Analyse System!Fully support Wrath of the Lich King!
No offence to anyone but could people only post fully flasked/potted/buffed out stats only since those have high impact to outcome of fights. Will only result lower dps numbers especially if we're trying to find out whether there is still challenger for dw spec or not.
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02/13/09, 5:48 AM
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#309
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Death Knight
Blackrock
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Originally Posted by Dreadwyn2
#showtooltip Icy Touch
/cast [nomodifier] Icy Touch
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does that work?
#showtooltip Icy Touch
/cast [nomodifier] Icy Touch
/cast [aura=Killing Machine] Howling Blast
Last edited by Azrael : 02/13/09 at 6:07 AM.
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02/13/09, 8:33 AM
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#310
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Glass Joe
Santhalas
Human Death Knight
Ragnaros
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Originally Posted by Azrael
does that work?
#showtooltip Icy Touch
/cast [nomodifier] Icy Touch
/cast [aura=Killing Machine] Howling Blast
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Interesting, i can't test right now (currently at job heheheheh)
if it works we can mix it with freezing fog cancel aura
#showtooltip Icy Touch
/cancelaura Frezzing Fog
/cast [nomodifier] Icy Touch
/cast [aura=Killing Machine] Howling Blast
Can any one test it?
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02/13/09, 9:52 AM
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#311
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by zALDARIs
It's not easy to find correct informations about DW DK.
Haste seems important and I try to get it over expertise, pene, agi and sometimes even crit.
But I don't really know how good it is and if there is a value haste isn't good anymore.
At the moment I'm at 300+ haste, so is there a cap? is crit better ?
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If you are DW stacking haste then you essentially need however much haste lets you use the 7th GCD (the 2nd death coil) per 10 seconds without pushing back your rotation any. This amount for you is somewhat dependant on your latency, so whatever that number is, hopefully it is consistant so you may gear around it.
Beyond that point haste is still good for KM and pet scaling and more white damage and all that, but that is the point where it becomes less amazing per point (equivilant to reaching 26 expertise or 540 defense etc).
I imagine theres also a breakoff point where you can hit the 7th GCD with blood strike instead of blood boil if you're using s/f or something but i think thats less reasonable.
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02/13/09, 1:26 PM
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#312
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Von Kaiser
Draenei Death Knight
Mal'Ganis
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Originally Posted by Azrael
does that work?
#showtooltip Icy Touch
/cast [nomodifier] Icy Touch
/cast [aura=Killing Machine] Howling Blast
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Both this macro and the other right below it fail to cast HB. At all.
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02/13/09, 1:42 PM
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#313
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Piston Honda
Orc Death Knight
Dunemaul
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There is no aura modifier for macros. You have to play the game, your macros can't play it for you.
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02/13/09, 4:19 PM
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#314
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Xelopheris
There is no aura modifier for macros. You have to play the game, your macros can't play it for you.
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Well I think this is kind of lame that you can't, I tested the macro for myself, nomodifier simply means it doesn't do anything different if you hold down another button like alt or shift when using the macro.
I feel like it's a mechanic i have no control over, shouldn't we have the option to control whether or not our spells are effected by a modifier like killing machine?
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02/13/09, 4:23 PM
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#315
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Von Kaiser
Tauren Death Knight
Mal'Ganis
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You do have control over it, it's called actually watching your procs and playing the game.
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02/13/09, 5:01 PM
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#316
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Shimerra
You do have control over it, it's called actually watching your procs and playing the game.
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Are you suggesting using HB when killing machine procs regardless of where you are in your rotation? You cannot see how that can negatively effect your rotation? Not to mention you might not even have an Unholy and Frost rune up at the time?
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02/13/09, 5:10 PM
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#317
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Glass Joe
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That's part of the game, trying to weigh whether to wait or fire that trigger. Some people use a rotation that hedges their bets; that is, dump their ITs and give as much time as possible for KM to proc to use HB. Personally, I play it by ear and I use Needtoknow to help line up my HBs.
I'll also say it. Play the game, the macros can't play it for you.
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02/13/09, 5:29 PM
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#318
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Corantu
That's part of the game, trying to weigh whether to wait or fire that trigger. Some people use a rotation that hedges their bets; that is, dump their ITs and give as much time as possible for KM to proc to use HB. Personally, I play it by ear and I use Needtoknow to help line up my HBs.
I'll also say it. Play the game, the macros can't play it for you.
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It's one thing to want to play the game your way, it's another thing entirely to tell people your way is the only right way and any other way is wrong. Some people like to feel in control, not using a rotation or being forced to waste killing machine procs on an inferior ability both go against that. Who are you to judge? I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over which playstyle is "superior." It's not as though if such a macro existed you would be forced to use it.
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02/13/09, 7:23 PM
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#319
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Piston Honda
Human Death Knight
Kazzak (EU)
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5442 DPS
1) 51/0/20 diseaseless, Oblit Oblit Hs Hs RPDump Repeat
2) http://wowwebstats.com/nmbfpnl54fpnq...010&a=x1a8b635
3) No AOTD. Used Haste pot and FC proc for DRW
4) Death's Bitse, FC, Sigil of Awareness
5) 25
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02/14/09, 4:56 PM
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#320
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Von Kaiser
Orc Death Knight
Blood Furnace
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WoW Meter Online - Love???What is love?
Variation of 32/39
Priority of HB if FF was on target when cooldown
Used AoTD, and used gargoyle before bloodlust + bloodrage
Rotation/Priority - IT - PS - HB - BS - BS - DUMP - HB if FF was on target - 1.IT - PS - IT - IT or 2. IT - HB - PS - IT - IT
depending on misses (rare if ever.), and if there was another death knight applying frost fever.
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02/14/09, 5:33 PM
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#321
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Glass Joe
Orc Death Knight
Frostwolf (EU)
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0/32/39
Normal Rotation it/ps/hb/bs/bs dump dump // it/ps/hb/it/it dump dump
Aotd at beginning, bloodrage + trinket Gargoyle, then bloodlust
I'm not allowed from my guild to post full WWS, so I've done a screenshot from Patchwerk fight.
WWS: abload.de - Bilderupload
Recount: abload.de - Bilderupload
On WWS you see the WL on first positons. It's an actual WWS-Bug because the when Doomguard 1 hits Boss first alle Dmg from Doomguard 2 and 3 are added to number 1. So the Doomguard from this WL gets all damage listet on WWS.
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02/14/09, 8:37 PM
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#322
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Silvermoon
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Originally Posted by Dreadwyn2
It's one thing to want to play the game your way, it's another thing entirely to tell people your way is the only right way and any other way is wrong. Some people like to feel in control, not using a rotation or being forced to waste killing machine procs on an inferior ability both go against that. Who are you to judge? I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over which playstyle is "superior." It's not as though if such a macro existed you would be forced to use it.
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The only "way to play" in this particular case is to play within the rules that blizzard allows for macros. They've specifically changed what conditions a macro can 'check' for you for the exact reasons the other posters told you: blizz wants you, the player, to make the decisions when your buffs proc. The buff is there for you to use as you see fit. If you want to use it on HB and only HB, then wait until HB cooldown is ready. Otherwise use it on IT or FS. You have to make the decision yourself. This isn't something that anyone here is making you do, this is the system that is put in place by the people that create the game.
Yeah, it would be "better" if all our procs and talents and skills did their absolute best every time, making perfect use of cooldowns, raid buffs, boss mechanics and all the other variables that come into play during combat. Personal DPS would go up. But blizz didn't design it that way. They designed it so macros can't play for you (it used to be possible to do that stuff until they revamped the whole system). Don't get pissed at us when blizz tells you "play the game yourself". Their game, their right to "judge" the playstyles.
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02/15/09, 3:52 PM
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#324
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Vula'jin the Void, blessed by the loa
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Since there's a new "Finding Top Raid DPS" thread in this forum, please move on to use that one. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Enervate
Yep, still a fucking idiot.
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